Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[drvenner]

Exactly. The whistle is the objective outward manifestation of when the referee decides that forward progress has stopped. Not when they decide in their mind a couple of seconds earlier.

A couple of seconds? Do you even science?

 

[Devo182]

The problem with Michigan is that their strengths played right into Georgia’s strengths.

Bingo. My stepdad is a huge UM fan, but he didn't listen. Told him you HAVE to throw over such an elite defense, like Bama did...like we sorta did...and he immediately said "we have a great run game"...I just chuckled. I tried to warn him you're not going to run over their DL. Thank god Bama's still there to save us all from hell.

Go Bama

 

[lilesrt]

When it is overtime and 4th down, you let them play and leave no doubt

Good point. If it’s a judgment call (which I assume it is), it certainly puts much authority in the official’s hands.

 

[drvenner]

I think he played a good game. If he had not slipped, he would also have had a big run.

 

[lilesrt]

I think he played a good game. If he had not slipped, he would also have had a big run.

Where was he going? Just curious.

 

[Devo182]

It was the most asinine reason I’ve ever heard. I literally could not believe they claimed “I thought so in my mind, therefore it counts even though the whistle was a full half second after the TD”

Exactly. There's no evidence. They can just make it all up and nobody knows whether it's even real or not.

Exact same thing they did vs Ole Miss. One ref literally ran with our guy into the end zone as it was a live, unwhistled play. Then the refs gather and ONE guy says "in my mind I called it dead" LOL WHAT?!? This can't possibly be how things should work. So dumb. Unbelievably dumb.

 

[vols 30]

I think he played a good game. If he had not slipped, he would also have had a big run.

Not worried about WR at all next year. Might be even better as a group.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Hes gonna make some noise next year for sure

 

[KB5252]

Who are the 4-6 SEC teams in the top 10 this season? I only see 3.

I do agree that UGA and Bama are light years above the rest of college football, but it’s a pretty steep drop to Ole Miss after that and then even further down to teams like UK and Arky or ATM.

If every team played an equal strength of schedule you would put ATM in there, perhaps even Arky and Kentucky. Who's so much better? This year for sure we have 4 possibly 5 of the top 10 teams.

 

[drvenner]

Where was he going? Just curious.

Upfield?

 

[Jackcrevol]

kentucky is winning. fml

 

[lilesrt]

Upfield?

Referring to his tweet.. “I’ll be back”..

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

We were 117th in first downs allowed
We were 120th in red zone defense
We were 122nd in passing yards allowed
We were 60 (woo hoo) in rushing defense
We were tied for 32nd about 10 other teams for interceptions.
We were 103 in 3rd down defense
We were tied for 54th in 4th down stops
We were tied for 42nd in sacks
We were tied for 103 in recovered fumbles
We were tied for 90th in scoring defense
We were tied 98th for total defense

I didn't see the stat for TFL but it sounds like we were good there so we've got that going for us.

We literally sucked at every meaningful defensive category that I could find. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't stop the pass. We couldnt sack the QB. We couldn't get off the field on 3rd down or 4th down. I can't believe the excuses that you guys have for Banks. It as Sunseri level bad. Vandy was statistically better, significantly, on many of these stats.

I'm not calling for the guy to be fired but tied ignore how pathetic this defense was is burying your head in the sand.

Yeah... this is bad. Certainly a lot of it is lack of talent. But still. Dang.

 

[Rishvol]

What idiot allowed lunch meat and hotdogs to be $7

 

[Devo182]

Let’s get some high level recruits and get this thing rolling… GBO

That's what it all comes down to ultimately. We know we have the scheme, now bring the dudes.

The question is if it will require winning a big game(s) to get that ball rolling or if we have the recruiting chops to pull a top 10 class even with 7-8 wins again next year. A win over one of the big 3 sure would do wonders imo. We need a "national spotlight" win.

 

[KB5252]

What idiot allowed lunch meat and hotdogs to be $7

Talk to our elected officials

 

[KB5252]

That's what it all comes down to ultimately. We know we have the scheme, now bring the dudes.

The question is if it will require winning a big game(s) to get that ball rolling or if we have the recruiting chops to pull a top 10 class even with 7-8 wins again next year. A win over one of the big 3 sure would do wonders imo. We need a "national spotlight" win.

This is a three to five year build. The portal had hurt more than helped so far, hopefully that changes this year.

 

[Orange.]

I miss the Vols already.

 

[lilesrt]

We were 117th in first downs allowed
We were 120th in red zone defense
We were 122nd in passing yards allowed
We were 60 (woo hoo) in rushing defense
We were tied for 32nd about 10 other teams for interceptions.
We were 103 in 3rd down defense
We were tied for 54th in 4th down stops
We were tied for 42nd in sacks
We were tied for 103 in recovered fumbles
We were tied for 90th in scoring defense
We were tied 98th for total defense

I didn't see the stat for TFL but it sounds like we were good there so we've got that going for us.

We literally sucked at every meaningful defensive category that I could find. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't stop the pass. We couldnt sack the QB. We couldn't get off the field on 3rd down or 4th down. I can't believe the excuses that you guys have for Banks. It as Sunseri level bad. Vandy was statistically better, significantly, on many of these stats.

I'm not calling for the guy to be fired but tied ignore how pathetic this defense was is burying your head in the sand.

Nice breakdown. In addition to the talent gap, our warp speed offense does little to help the situation. It has it’s inherent advantages as well. Also, our poor DB play has much to do with our impotent DL. CB’s can’t cover receivers that long. A good DL makes for better DB play. All of that to say.. we need players. I’m sure the staff is well aware.

 

[Devo182]

We were 117th in first downs allowed
We were 120th in red zone defense
We were 122nd in passing yards allowed
We were 60 (woo hoo) in rushing defense
We were tied for 32nd about 10 other teams for interceptions.
We were 103 in 3rd down defense
We were tied for 54th in 4th down stops
We were tied for 42nd in sacks
We were tied for 103 in recovered fumbles
We were tied for 90th in scoring defense
We were tied 98th for total defense

I didn't see the stat for TFL but it sounds like we were good there so we've got that going for us.

We literally sucked at every meaningful defensive category that I could find. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't stop the pass. We couldnt sack the QB. We couldn't get off the field on 3rd down or 4th down. I can't believe the excuses that you guys have for Banks. It as Sunseri level bad. Vandy was statistically better, significantly, on many of these stats.

I'm not calling for the guy to be fired but tied ignore how pathetic this defense was is burying your head in the sand.

Those are volume stats though and we obviously will defend more plays because of our offense. In fact we were 127th in plays defended out of 130 teams. Unfortunately half of that equation was also on our defense due to 3rd down d, but the rest is just tempo of course.

Need efficiency stats to see an apples to apples comparison. For instance, our run D per rush is 38th. Pass D is 53rd YPA. Overall YPP 51st. Up from 76th in 2020 under the "guru".

You're right about RZ and 3rd down though. "Situational football" killed us with an otherwise pretty decent defense. And, sadly, I believe (jmo) situational football comes back to coaching. The D coaches have got to fix those things.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I posted several years ago that the SEC does everything with $$$$ as the top priority. I posted that they wanted the SEC to have two strong teams, one from the east and one from the west. The two teams couldn't be each other's annual opponent so they would seldom face each other except in the SEC championship game. This year is exactly what the league has been working for for some time. Two teams in the Nation Championship game. Now that they've got it, expect them to shore up anything that needs to shored up to make sure this happens every year. A&M almost put a monkey wrench in their plans so I don't expect that to happen again.

 

[VolNash17]

So far with a few bowl games remaining we are
7th/130 in Points Per Game
90th/130 in Points Allowed Per Game
if we can get the points allowed cut down to be in the 40’s or so that would be great

 

[InVOLuntary]

Nice breakdown. In addition to the talent gap, our warp speed offense does little to help the situation. It has it’s inherent advantages as well. Also, our poor DB play has much to do with our impotent DL. CB’s can’t cover receivers that long. A good DL makes for better DB play. All of that to say.. we need players. I’m sure the staff is well aware.

All true but when you are rushing 3-4 about every down against a minimum of a 5 man line, you're not going to pressure the qb. We can blame the offense but if you're honest you have to acknowledge the defense has the responsibility to get off the field. They seldom did, even early in games. They were warn out by the end of the 1st qtr because they never could get off the field. A good defensive coordinator will scheme to help out a weak defense. Banks seldom did.

 

[csprig9]

All true but when you are rushing 3-4 about every down against a minimum of a 5 man line, you're not going to pressure the qb. We can blame the offense but if you're honest you have to acknowledge the defense has the responsibility to get off the field. They seldom did, even early in games. They were warn out by the end of the 1st qtr because they never could get off the field. A good defensive coordinator will scheme to help out a weak defense. Banks seldom did.

This

 

[InVOLuntary]

Those are volume stats though and we obviously will defend more plays because of our offense. In fact we were 127th in plays defended out of 130 teams. Unfortunately half of that equation was also on our defense due to 3rd down d, but the rest is just tempo of course.

Need efficiency stats to see an apples to apples comparison. For instance, our run D per rush is 38th. Pass D is 53rd YPA. Overall YPP 51st. Up from 76th in 2020 under the "guru".

You're right about RZ and 3rd down though. "Situational football" killed us with an otherwise pretty decent defense. And, sadly, I believe (jmo) situational football comes back to coaching. The D coaches have got to fix those things.

It was the defenses responsibility to get off the field. I would love to see how they rank in 3 and outs. My guess would be near the bottom.