Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[MoCo_Vol]

Truthfully of all the TV shows I think Heidi on Home Improvement was it for me.

 

[butchna]

Meh. I'm a believer in Charles Barkley's philosophy of "I am not a role model". Parents are role models. Athletes and coaches are just random strangers.

Charles Barkley didn’t take on the responsibility of mentoring kids out of high school and teaching them in college…like a COACH’s resume includes! “Random strangers” have crappy recruiting classes and win/loss records.

 

[KB5252]

Man, you've been through it lately.

Life comes at you fast sometimes. All you can do is your best, just ride out the waves.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think you're missing the point. No matter whether your child follows your example or not, YOU are still the role model. You (and your spouse) brought them into this world, and it is your responsibility, no one else's, to raise them. Everyone gets to choose their own path in life. If your kids choose to be different than what you want, that's on them, not some athlete, or celebrity, or anyone else. It's not upon anyone to act in a certain way to appease others. I think you're overreaching with your expectations of others.

Do you not get the irony here though? You're setting the highest expectation on the parents, but not also expecting it from the celebrities or athletes, seems weird.


We agree it's the kids choice, but for some reason you don't agree with me wanting/expecting these celebrities/athletes to be held to the same standard as I am.

 

[Weezer]

Charles Barkley didn’t take on the responsibility of mentoring kids out of high school and teaching them in college…like a COACH’s resume includes! “Random strangers” have crappy recruiting classes and win/loss records.

Howard's actions were wrong, and he has been dealt consequences by the proper authorities. He's a coach, not a role model. The young men who play for him should be old enough to recognize his actions were wrong. He's there to teach them basketball, not life.

 

[Weezer]

Do you not get the irony here though? You're setting the highest expectation on the parents, but not also expecting it from the celebrities or athletes, seems weird.


We agree it's the kids choice, but for some reason you don't agree with me wanting/expecting these celebrities/athletes to be held to the same standard as I am.

Absolutely I'm putting it on the parents because they brought that life into this world.

Howard took a bad action and has been dealt consequences. He's not responsible for your kids.

 

[butchna]

Howard's actions were wrong, and he has been dealt consequences by the proper authorities. He's a coach, not a role model. The young men who play for him should be old enough to recognize his actions were wrong. He's there to teach them basketball, not life.

Coaches BY JOB DEFINITION need to be role models. It’s why they recruit parents. They’re selling TRUST. Blink when you start getting it.

 

[UpstateVol613]

Not to downplay the Kentucky situation but didn't they have a WR at QB most/all 2020 and had to run basically every play and play ball control?

The years before that with Eddie Gran weren’t that impressive regardless of who lined up behind center. Point being you don’t always strike gold with your OC.

 

[butchna]

Absolutely I'm putting it on the parents because they brought that life into this world.

Howard took a bad action and has been dealt consequences. He's not responsible for your kids.

Then WTF would you sign off on him? Coaches have RESPONSIBILITY! Google it!

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He reached over the top and tried to grab him…. It was open hand….. was he in the wrong? Most definitely and a five game suspension is just….. I don’t agree with assault charges or restraining orders either…. On the other side….. people are talking like the Wisconsin coach is an evil white supremacist impending the way of a black man while holding him and talking down to him….. I don’t agree with that scenario either….

He was trying to hit him, and did

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He reached over the top and tried to grab him…. It was open hand….. was he in the wrong? Most definitely and a five game suspension is just….. I don’t agree with assault charges or restraining orders either…. On the other side….. people are talking like the Wisconsin coach is an evil white supremacist impending the way of a black man while holding him and talking down to him….. I don’t agree with that scenario either….

I knew somebody would start that stupid racist ..those idiots are the real racists, the ones that turn everything into a racial incident.

 

[Weezer]

Coaches BY JOB DEFINITION need to be role models. It’s why they recruit parents. They’re selling TRUST. Blink when you start getting it.

lmao I get what you're saying, I just disagree with it. But I'll refrain from insulting your intelligence in return. When it comes to recruiting, coaches are used car salesmen. I wouldn't trust a used car salesman to be my child's role model (if I had a child). I wouldn't expect a coach to raise my child for me, or teach them the values I believe in. That would be my job. By the time they reach the college level, they shouldn't need a coach to be a role model. They should already have all the groundwork to grow into the person they are going to be.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Good grief…. The problem with society is that we run straight to the police and involve lawyers in every little issue…. The Wisconsin coach wasn’t hurt…..Seems like that coach handled it exactly the way I said that I would handle it.

If I got in a public altercation like that in my work...I would have been fired immediately.

 

[Sugaray13]

Sadly you're missing the point. I try to be my son's role model, but I don't get to choose that for him. Ultimately every child will pick who they want as their role model, I hope it's me since I have control over how I behave and how I communicate my choices to him. But I can't force him to choose me as his role model.

Very true!!!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

lmao I get what you're saying, I just disagree with it. But I'll refrain from insulting your intelligence in return. When it comes to recruiting, coaches are used car salesmen. I wouldn't trust a used car salesman to be my child's role model (if I had a child). I wouldn't expect a coach to raise my child for me, or teach them the values I believe in. That would be my job. By the time they reach the college level, they shouldn't need a coach to be a role model. They should already have all the groundwork to grow into the person they are going to be.

ahhh...now it makes sense why your opinion is what it is on this.

Parenthood definitely changes perspective, I know my views have really changed since becoming one. I get where you're coming from, nothing wrong with it either. But you'll never get what I'm saying since you're not a parent yourself.

 

[Weezer]

Then WTF would you sign off on him? Coaches have RESPONSIBILITY! Google it!

People have responsibility. Howard took an action. Consequences have been dealt.

IMO, he's only a role model for his own kids.


Everyone has expectations of how they are supposed to act, especially in professional settings. When they fail to meet those expectations, consequences ensue. That does not make them role models.

Truthfully put, beyond parenting, I don't believe in role models.

 

[volbeast33]

Yeah unfortunately that's not how it works. You're on the TV, you're in their video games, you're promoting the clothes they wear, the drinks and food they want to consume, whether you like it or not you're a role model.

And even if you don't agree with that side of it, why the hell can't we ask these millionaires to get held accountable for things that would get other people in different work environments fired?

Have you seen the video games they play….. social media a lot of kids can have access too….tv shows/movies that are easy to find/watch…… athletes are the least of our worries.

 

[Weezer]

ahhh...now it makes sense why your opinion is what it is on this.

Parenthood definitely changes perspective, I know my views have really changed since becoming one. I get where you're coming from, nothing wrong with it either. But you'll never get what I'm saying since you're not a parent yourself.

No, I'm not a parent. But I have helped raise kids. Even if I had natural children of my own, my opinion would be the same.

 

[bigorange]

 

[Glitch]

One, I appreciate your sarcasm because I know truthfully you love me. Two, not only does it allow for added entertainment, but we also get ring girls.

That is awful.... that they have to carry those signs. Those signs should be much smaller and not exist.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Have you seen the video games they play….. social media a lot of kids can have access too….tv shows/movies that are easy to find/watch…… athletes are the least of our worries.

You know the difference here is TV Shows/Movies are fictional stories about fictional characters. Video games are also fictional characters and stories.

The only "real people" that they see on a regular basis are the athletes.

That's not Juwan Howard playing a character or acting. That's who he is and I'm not wrong here for wanting a man in a position to shape young lives to be held to at the very least the same standard as he holds his players to.

 

[marksboy7]

lmao I get what you're saying, I just disagree with it. But I'll refrain from insulting your intelligence in return. When it comes to recruiting, coaches are used car salesmen. I wouldn't trust a used car salesman to be my child's role model (if I had a child). I wouldn't expect a coach to raise my child for me, or teach them the values I believe in. That would be my job. By the time they reach the college level, they shouldn't need a coach to be a role model. They should already have all the groundwork to grow into the person they are going to be.

People have responsibility. Howard took an action. Consequences have been dealt.

IMO, he's only a role model for his own kids.


Everyone has expectations of how they are supposed to act, especially in professional settings. When they fail to meet those expectations, consequences ensue. That does not make them role models.

Truthfully put, beyond parenting, I don't believe in role models.

You seem to be assuming that all college kids have great homes lives and that all their parents are good role models to them. And you seem to be assuming that these parents also provide "parenting" to their kids. You're gravely mistaken if you don't think that teachers or coaches may be the best role model some kids have in their life.

 

[Glitch]

I will take the Jessica Simpson version!!!
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Jessica Simpson did a fine job with the role. No complaints.

 

[Weezer]

You seem to be assuming that all college kids have great homes lives and that all their parents are good role models to them. And you seem to be assuming that these parents also provide "parenting" to their kids. You're gravely mistaken if you don't think that teachers or coaches may be the best role model some kids have in their life.

Being a "role model" is a choice someone makes. It is not a responsibility thrust upon someone because of their profession.

 

[Glitch]

But see that's kind of my thing. Even you expect more from the kids parents than the sports star that is financially set for life.

I mean I get that we're all just human, but goodness. Why is it so much to want these celebrities to be held to the same standard as me? I'm grinding at work, raising a child, shoulder all the burdens of being a husband and father. Is it wrong of me to say "I wouldn't escalate that situation to physical violence, and neither should they!"

I am all for holding sports figures accountable. Let's do it..... oh wait.... you mean there is too much money to be made and nobody wants to stop the gravy trains? If there was any justice, the NBA would not exist for allowing their apparel to be made in China where human rights abuses are taking place as we speak. There is not going to be justice because people have gotten to used to all the money and the bottom line looking really good. That is why it is more important than other for parents to take the lead and show their kids who is worthy of looking up to and who is not.