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I'm done with the conversation. I've expressed my views. My opinion isn't changing. I doubt anyone else's views are going to change. The situation happened and has been dealt with.
 
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Weezer said:
No, I'm not a parent. But I have helped raise kids. Even if I had natural children of my own, my opinion would be the same.
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Not going to agree with your opinion on this, and I am assuming you're not going to agree with mine either.

So I'll just say this and move on from it.

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lmao I get what you're saying, I just disagree with it. But I'll refrain from insulting your intelligence in return. When it comes to recruiting, coaches are used car salesmen. I wouldn't trust a used car salesman to be my child's role model (if I had a child). I wouldn't expect a coach to raise my child for me, or teach them the values I believe in. That would be my job. By the time they reach the college level, they shouldn't need a coach to be a role model. They should already have all the groundwork to grow into the person they are going to be.
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This I completely disagree with though. Your coaches, your teachers, every single adult involved in your child's life is helping raise them whether they realize it or not, you as a parent have to realize it too. So the job of the parent is to find the right coaches that have the same values you want to teach your child.
 
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Weezer said:
Being a "role model" is a choice someone makes. It is not a responsibility thrust upon someone because of their profession.
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Everyone is a role model to someone. The only choice is how you want to portray yourself to others. Now that doesn't mean everyone cares how they act but there is always someone watching you and/or looking up to you.
 
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Just curious, has a college or pro coach been fired before for a slap or even a punch? Surely there has to be someone but idk.

I do know, at a minimum, Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight did worse and coached forever. Then again, these are different times. At least Juwan and the other coach actually had consequences this time. It seems like you could get away with murder in the past and nothing would happen.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
He beat UF and won his bowl game. For a first time HC in the SEC whom has never been a coordinator before? That’s an impressive feat.
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Agreed, but that Florida team was garbage by the time they played them. They had already mailed it in for the season. I'm confident we would have boat raced them if we played them later too lol.
 
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Weezer said:
People have responsibility. Howard took an action. Consequences have been dealt.

IMO, he's only a role model for his own kids.


Everyone has expectations of how they are supposed to act, especially in professional settings. When they fail to meet those expectations, consequences ensue. That does not make them role models.

Truthfully put, beyond parenting, I don't believe in role models.
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“His own kids” as in the ones he’s coaching? Then I agree and he FAILED. His responsibility is to be the example of proper behavior both on and off the court…not simply roll the ball out and every man for himself. You do that on the playground and they don’t don’t pay millions for the ceremony. I remember when Barkley did that commercial and I had no problem with the message. It doesn’t extend to those who are supposed to be in charge.
 
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Weezer said:
Being a "role model" is a choice someone makes. It is not a responsibility thrust upon someone because of their profession.
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Sorry. You're just wrong. In a perfect Garden of Eden world maybe kids wouldn't need role models other than their parents. This is a broken world full of broken families. My wife (and other wives) has had to escort numerous players on Senior night because there was no one there for them. We've had kids stay at our house temporarily because a parent was in jail or was on a drunken bender. EVERY adult that a kid comes in contact is going to "model" behavior for them one way or another. If a coach isn't a role model, what is he there for? Especially on the college level where kids are more developed and require less athletic guidance. Howard failed in his responsibility. He should suffer consequences. Period.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You know the difference here is TV Shows/Movies are fictional stories about fictional characters. Video games are also fictional characters and stories.

The only "real people" that they see on a regular basis are the athletes.

That's not Juwan Howard playing a character or acting. That's who he is and I'm not wrong here for wanting a man in a position to shape young lives to be held to at the very least the same standard as he holds his players to.
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Tell that to my son….. he is a pretty good baseball player….. he had been hitting really good but then all of a sudden his batting stance changed and he struggled…. I couldn’t figure out where He started doing that until one day I saw him watching a video and I realized he was doing a character someone had made for major league called Baby” freaking” Yoda…. Parents have to be the guiding force behind their kids and not athletes or any other adult really.
 
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Weezer said:
lmao I get what you're saying, I just disagree with it. But I'll refrain from insulting your intelligence in return. When it comes to recruiting, coaches are used car salesmen. I wouldn't trust a used car salesman to be my child's role model (if I had a child). I wouldn't expect a coach to raise my child for me, or teach them the values I believe in. That would be my job. By the time they reach the college level, they shouldn't need a coach to be a role model. They should already have all the groundwork to grow into the person they are going to be.
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No parent is expecting their kids to be raised by the guy. But they’re trusting him to guide their kid and not be the less mature person on the court. When your kid’s one of the PLAYERS trying to calm down their coach, you know you signed off on the wrong shyster.
 
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