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Adam2014 said:
I want to bring up a topic of discussion.

I have read many of our rivals stating that Josh Heupel’s offense is simplistic and not sustainable.

1) Where did this rhetoric come from?
2) Is any of it true?
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They say it’s a 2 read system at most for QB’s, which in a sense is true, but it’s more complex than that. As for WR they say you can’t learn the route tree. So the WR has an option route (almost all go routes, hitches, and slants)on almost all routes. Depends on where and how the DB is playing him he chooses the route that will get him open.
So they choose numbers in box first for run or pass then pick the option routes. This is how they run so fast. With this the QB and WR have to absolutely be on the same page.

With that said is it easy to defend absolutely not, they attack the weakened of defense. Every zone has a weak spot and every man can’t defend every route. Plus if you have hat on hat up front they can run all over you.
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I prefer a genius who values and prioritizes class and character over one that has demonstrated he does not. I choose to take the option of hating a guy not for leaving, but how he left. Integrity is what it is. It is not required in coaching to post wins. Just not part of the DNA for some folks. His and his staff's actions on the last day on our payroll and with UT phones contacting kids and telling them not to go to class in order to not trigger their clock is a classic display of his lack of character. His more recent coaching fake injuries simply shows it continues as a lifestyle. His buddy Coach O has shown the same characteristics. Penn State anyone? Tressel ring a bell? Baylor? How about Pruitt? Risk/reward for guys like this is what it is. Think the Mannings are all in on him, or did they just apply some class and skirt the issue? Part of the risk with him there? Could be.
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A post that applies to much more than just coaching.

Some people value character and integrity in their leaders, some don’t.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
QB - Nico Iamaleava (Jr.)
RB - Justin Williams (Sr.)/Dylan Sampson (Sr.)
WR - Squirrel White (Sr.), Cam Seldon (Jr.), Kaleb Webb (Sr.), Boo Carter (Soph.), Chas Nimrod (Sr.), Cameron Miller (Sr.)
TE - Ethan Davis (Jr.)/Justin Echols (Soph.)
OL - Lucas Simmons (Jr.), Mo Clipper (Sr.), Addison Nichols (Sr.), Sham Umarov (Jr.), Stanton Ramil (Jr.)

DL - Tyre West (Sr.), Jordan Phillips (Sr.), Nathan Robinson (Jr.), Tyree Weathersby (Jr.)
Edge - Josh Josephs (Sr.), James Pierce (Sr.), Chandavian Bradley (Jr.), Caleb Herring (Jr.)
LB - Elijah Herring (Sr.), Jalen Smith (Jr.), Jeremiah Telander (Jr.), Edwin Spillman (Soph.)
Secondary - Andre Turrentine (Sr), Sylvester Smith (Jr.), Cristian Conyer (Jr.), John Slaughter (Jr.), Jack Luttrell (Jr.)


We winning the ship when Nico is a Junior with a lineup that looks something like this?

I know some guys could be gone, and some could be redshirted, recruited over, go elsewhere, etc.
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Yes, we are. Playoffs by '25, book your room now.
 
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I really appreciate all of the good answers. I am just curious about it all, really.

Another question... Some of the good offenses in the past couple of years: LSU, Bama, Ohio State, etc. Are those offense simplistic?

I am sure they are more complex to a degree, but I cannot imagine its crazy. Bama's entire offensive philosophy has been get playmakers in space.
 
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MarcoVol said:
A post that applies to much more than just coaching.

Some people value character and integrity in their leaders, some don’t.
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And those who don’t can end up with the death penalty or probation which takes away from the value a coach can bring to a program. So you’re still talking about a coach and his abilities.
 
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Adam2014 said:
I really appreciate all of the good answers. I am just curious about it all, really.

Another question... Some of the good offenses in the past couple of years: LSU, Bama, Ohio State, etc. Are those offense simplistic?

I am sure they are more complex to a degree, but I cannot imagine its crazy. Bama's entire offensive philosophy has been get playmakers in space.
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Top tier athletes at those schools make any system look good. We run same base formations as Ohio state just different philosophy.
Lsu Joey B was outstanding with 2 first round draft pick WR.
Alabama would make wing t look awesome.
 
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Adam2014 said:
I want to bring up a topic of discussion.

I have read many of our rivals stating that Josh Heupel’s offense is simplistic and not sustainable.

1) Where did this rhetoric come from?
2) Is any of it true?
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This type of rhetoric usually comes from someone who was "Curb Stomped" by the same "Simple Offense". The sustainability is about 5-7 years for ANY offense. It will evolve with time but something bigger and better will come along, it always has....Winged T, Power I , Power T, Wishbone, Wishbone Veer, Pro Set and on and on. There are as many defensive minds out there as offensive and they will figure it out and vice versa.
 
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Adam2014 said:
I really appreciate all of the good answers. I am just curious about it all, really.

Another question... Some of the good offenses in the past couple of years: LSU, Bama, Ohio State, etc. Are those offense simplistic?

I am sure they are more complex to a degree, but I cannot imagine its crazy. Bama's entire offensive philosophy has been get playmakers in space.
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I’ll sum up Bama’s offense:

Slant. 78 yards to the house. Repeat.
 
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I was reading many of the post on recruits and how this one is changing his mind and this one's family likes this place and on and on. We have a coach that far and away met or exceeded any hopes we had for last year with what was quite frankly an under developed talent wise team.

When last year started we were just hoping to field a team much less win a game and then BAM, we were pretty good and we should be winning championships by this year and next at the latest.....or so we ALWAYS think.

Lets see what CJH can do with some of his recruits and transfers. This year will tell us if the system, not offense or defense , but CJH's system of building a team works. Good players like good building materials are used to build strong foundations but you have to be able to assemble them properly. We need to remember when seeing the players we get or don't or the ones they pursue or don't, you don't put steel beams together with string, the little parts you don't see are just as important as the parts you see the most.
 
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TrippieRedd said:
QB - Nico Iamaleava (Jr.)
RB - Justin Williams (Sr.)/Dylan Sampson (Sr.)
WR - Squirrel White (Sr.), Cam Seldon (Jr.), Kaleb Webb (Sr.), Boo Carter (Soph.), Chas Nimrod (Sr.), Cameron Miller (Sr.)
TE - Ethan Davis (Jr.)/Justin Echols (Soph.)
OL - Lucas Simmons (Jr.), Mo Clipper (Sr.), Addison Nichols (Sr.), Sham Umarov (Jr.), Stanton Ramil (Jr.)

DL - Tyre West (Sr.), Jordan Phillips (Sr.), Nathan Robinson (Jr.), Tyree Weathersby (Jr.)
Edge - Josh Josephs (Sr.), James Pierce (Sr.), Chandavian Bradley (Jr.), Caleb Herring (Jr.)
LB - Elijah Herring (Sr.), Jalen Smith (Jr.), Jeremiah Telander (Jr.), Edwin Spillman (Soph.)
Secondary - Andre Turrentine (Sr), Sylvester Smith (Jr.), Cristian Conyer (Jr.), John Slaughter (Jr.), Jack Luttrell (Jr.)


We winning the ship when Nico is a Junior with a lineup that looks something like this?

I know some guys could be gone, and some could be redshirted, recruited over, go elsewhere, etc.
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I’m wondering if Cam will end up staying at DB.
 
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Orange. said:
1) "Sustainable" came from political and advertising cant and cliché, and "simplistic" is an example of whistling in the dark (and, technically, an irrelevancy because complexity is not a condition on success).

2) If it were true, then Sankey's boy and the guy with the goods on Sankey's boy would not have ordered Sankey to suppress a vote on a fake injuries rule for intraconference play at the Destin meeting. They obviously think they may need to cheat, which says a lot.

I do expect to see people try novel things, such a multiplicity of DBs. And I wouldn't be surprised to see someone attempt to imitate us in a set.

And, yo, bring me some good weather this week!
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The 3-3-5 was started to defend offenses simLiar to ours……Arkansas and ole miss run similar veer and shoots as well
 
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Adam2014 said:
I want to bring up a topic of discussion.

I have read many of our rivals stating that Josh Heupel’s offense is simplistic and not sustainable.

1) Where did this rhetoric come from?
2) Is any of it true?
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I think Nebraska had a pretty simplistic offense back in the day. It sustained itself through a couple of National Championships.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
They say it’s a 2 read system at most for QB’s, which in a sense is true, but it’s more complex than that. As for WR they say you can’t learn the route tree. So the WR has an option route (almost all go routes, hitches, and slants)on almost all routes. Depends on where and how the DB is playing him he chooses the route that will get him open.
So they choose numbers in box first for run or pass then pick the option routes. This is how they run so fast. With this the QB and WR have to absolutely be on the same page.

With that said is it easy to defend absolutely not, they attack the weakened of defense. Every zone has a weak spot and every man can’t defend every route. Plus if you have hat on hat up front they can run all over you.
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I think you need some more editing haha. Good summary though, thanks.
 
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I see all the stuff about offense's and defense's and football at it's simplest level is, Hit'em where they ain't. Most don't realize the chess game that goes on every play between the OC and DC. They both see film, they both look for tendencies and exploit any weakness, the better teams have less weaknesses and fewer readable tendencies. That is the real trick.....Fewer Readable Tendencies, they usually win the most.
 
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Adam2014 said:
I really appreciate all of the good answers. I am just curious about it all, really.

Another question... Some of the good offenses in the past couple of years: LSU, Bama, Ohio State, etc. Are those offense simplistic?

I am sure they are more complex to a degree, but I cannot imagine its crazy. Bama's entire offensive philosophy has been get playmakers in space.
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Day runs a “multiple” offense at OSU. It’s simple at times for reads but gets complicated at times. They use tempo at times but Day also goes turtle speed as well depending on how the game and his defense is doing. Bama is similar but they use less play action deep shots than Ohio State does. Both of their offenses are quite different than ours overall philosophy wise
 
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