Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You can go ahead and take this to the bank…we will lose a game this year as a result of one of our TDs being taken away due to taunting being called (and it will probably be a phantom taunting).

Bank on it...it is a sure thing. If there is a prop bet on this happening to us on a big gambling website...I may drop some real money on it.

 

[VolFanNC09]

Between Spencer Rattler and Will Levis.... who is the more overrated?

Will Levis.

I am super curious on Rattler on whether he will want to prove himself and put the work in now. I think Will Levis had a really good OL and running game last year and wasn’t great. We are so used to Kentucky having bad QBs and since he was decent, people think he is great.

 

[ACvol3]

Haha clicks. She was super nice to them about it, clearly didn’t expect us to show up with Hendon after she released that list this morning

I just saw that Andrew Shultz was there! I listen to him on podcasts all the time

 

[LA Vol]

It will probably be the go ahead TD to beat UF, Taken off the board due to our WR waiving at the crowd or something silly like that.

Somebody will gator chomp headed to the sideline in the joy of the moment. They'll be watching for that.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

woah

Yeah...I've always felt bad for the guy.

 

[hotcypress]

I think an interesting rule would be "players that leave the game for an injury during timed play should not be able to reenter the game until the next possession". You can play the fairness and the player safety angle with that rule. Ole Miss would have lost half of their starting defense on that last possession if that rule would have been in place.

 

[Orange.]

Sure having Studs would help and that isn't going to happen overnight, and I won't argue tempo is under attack, defensive minded coaches have hated it since it became a thing. But everybody wants to point out the OM game last year. OM wasn't absurdly more talented than TN. They weren't loaded with blue chips. TN just had chances and didn't execute. Injuries didn't help for sure but how many missed tackles did the defense have? How many times did the O line get blown up and give up a sack? How little pressure did our D line get?

Yes, that wasn't our best outing. But we won despite all that, except that it was nullified by the officiating. The winning score was taken off the board. The spots were ridiculous at key junctures. Some even think that offensive holding on the regular not being called was the key to the opposing offense. My position on that game is that it was blatantly rigged on account of the SEC office seeing the chance to get extra NY6 bowl TV money by rigging 10 wins for Ole Piss, together with the continued desire to keep us down. I say, under equal conditions, we won 10 games last year.

But as to your specific point: Yes! We surely did not play nearly as well as we could. We needed to win by several scores to win by one, and I think it was possible with better play. I cannot say better "execution" because our scheme was eliminated in that game by 19 instances of cheating or faking injuries. The rule pertains to injuries. It does not say real or feigned injuries. I consider what occurred to have been 19 instances of unsportsmanlike conduct and delay of game. If those two penalties had been assessed 19 times it would have been a rout. I think they should have been. If they were assessed even twice, the cheating would have stopped, and we would have won big.

At any rate, that particular game is the best example of how the potential rule change we are discussing would accomplish exactly what 19 fake injuries accomplished while concealing the manipulation. Everyone knows Saban cheats everyday, beginning with the number 1 class in the nation he bought his first full year, coming off a 7-6 season, including losing 4 of his last six, although he did win the Weed Eater bowl. Plus he was under NCAA investigation at the time the number 1 class was signed. Well, someone might object, they were coming for Saban. Saban was coming off years of sucking in the NFL, where he couldn't buy classes. Of course the investigation was dropped. Saban wouldn't blush at cheating, but I think it would be less uncomfortable for him to have Birmingham change the rules for his advantage than for the whole country to see him faking injuries all night.

Sorry to go on so long, but if I don't say, you won't understand me. At this point I will agree with your point that we could have played much much better. But we are specifically discussing the rule change. What we are having to settle for, in speech at least at this point, is that we may be prohibited from executing our system, but we will have to play well enough at someone else's system to compensate for the rigging. I agree. What other option is there? And if you remove the question of playing better from the question of scheme, I can't imagine anyone denying that we need to play better. WE NEED TO PLAY BETTER! I think someone would have to be insane to hate you for noticing that!

We also need more depth. Our own WRs were gassed by our scheme or Milton's last pass would have won the game. Dead legs. (Also, glad to see you, by the way.)

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Hope we beat their ass this year

Hope that we beat them way worse than last year. I have no doubt about us winning.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Anyone notice if you look at just about any recruits 247 page that’s visited tennessee they have those pictures on that profile. Can’t say the same for other schools. Do we have someone inside 247? Haha

 

[engineerVOL]

Somebody will gator chomp headed to the sideline in the joy of the moment. They'll be watching for that.

You just gave me anxiety, thanks.

 

[Orange.]

Somebody will gator chomp headed to the sideline in the joy of the moment. They'll be watching for that.

That is exactly what I thought. And of course taking away the players celebrating takes away from the rocking stadium.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Yes, that wasn't our best outing. But we won despite all that, except that it was nullified by the officiating. The winning score was taken off the board. The spots were ridiculous at key junctures. Some even think that offensive holding on the regular not being called was the key to the opposing offense. My position on that game is that it was blatantly rigged on account of the SEC office seeing the chance to get extra NY6 bowl TV money by rigging 10 wins for Ole Piss, together with the continued desire to keep us down. I say, under equal conditions, we won 10 games last year.

But as to your specific point: Yes! We surely did not play nearly as well as we could. We needed to win by several scores to win by one, and I think it was possible with better play. I cannot say better "execution" because our scheme was eliminated in that game by 19 instances of cheating or faking injuries. The rule pertains to injuries. It does not say real or feigned injuries. I consider what occurred to have been 19 instances of unsportsmanlike conduct and delay of game. If those two penalties had been assessed 19 times it would have been a rout. I think they should have been. If they were assessed even twice, the cheating would have stopped, and we would have won big.

At any rate, that particular game is the best example of how the potential rule change we are discussing would accomplish exactly what 19 fake injuries accomplished while concealing the manipulation. Everyone knows Saban cheats everyday, beginning with the number 1 class in the nation he bought his first full year, coming off a 7-6 season, including losing 4 of his last six, although he did win the Weed Eater bowl. Plus he was under NCAA investigation at the time the number 1 class was signed. Well, someone might object, they were coming for Saban. Saban was coming off years of sucking in the NFL, where he couldn't buy classes. Of course the investigation was dropped. Saban wouldn't blush at cheating, but I think it would be less uncomfortable for him to have Birmingham change the rules for his advantage than for the whole country to see him faking injuries all night.

Sorry to go on so long, but if I don't say, you won't understand me. At this point I will agree with your point that we could have played much much better. But we are specifically discussing the rule change. What we are having to settle for, in speech at least at this point, is that we may be prohibited from executing our system, but we will have to play well enough at someone else's system to compensate for the rigging. I agree. What other option is there? And if you remove the question of playing better from the question of scheme, I can't imagine anyone denying that we need to play better. WE NEED TO PLAY BETTER! I think someone would have to be insane to hate you for noticing that!

We also need more depth. Our own WRs were gassed by our scheme or Milton's last pass would have won the game. Dead legs. (Also, glad to see you, by the way.)

Yeah, I dont disagree that crew sucked balls. I remember reading after the game they were the same crew that messed up the "fair catch" punt return in another game earlier in the year. Im not going to say it was rigged per say as much as they just suck.

Also, yes it is annoying the fake injuries, but its not just the defense that uses them. How many times did we have someone go down on XP to buy a little time, or my favorite during that OM game we had on O lineman go down before we got called for 12 men on the field on offense. As well as several other players, some in the first half. OM wasnt the only one guilty of pulling shenanigans.

Also, thank you. Good to see you. Since its the off season just havent been paying that much attention to the banter that goes on in here.

 

[Orange.]

You just gave me anxiety, thanks.

Me too . Fulmer's first game against Florida, the 45-3 rout (I think was the score), the entire stadium was gator chopping. 100,000+ in the stands, the Tennessee bench, and every player on our defense on the field. One of the greatest games ever.

 

[Orange.]

Yeah, I dont disagree that crew sucked balls. I remember reading after the game they were the same crew that messed up the "fair catch" punt return in another game earlier in the year. Im not going to say it was rigged per say as much as they just suck.

Also, yes it is annoying the fake injuries, but its not just the defense that uses them. How many times did we have someone go down on XP to buy a little time, or my favorite during that OM game we had on O lineman go down before we got called for 12 men on the field on offense. As well as several other players, some in the first half. OM wasnt the only one guilty of pulling shenanigans.

Also, thank you. Good to see you. Since its the off season just havent been paying that much attention to the banter that goes on in here.

I didn't know it was the same crew! Pigskin Macias? When I was thinking about the Pitt game this coming year, I was confronted with the uncomfortable but not un-comical consideration that I don't know which would be worse: an SEC or ACC crew. And, yes, we surely participated in the injuries timeouts. But I think it was a case of "if you can't beat 'em (get the intention and letter of the rule enforced), join 'em." Banning fake injuries would be a ten-fold advantage for us compared to the little respites we grab taking the injury timeouts since everyone else does.

The other rule that others were discussing about penalizing "taunting" (with the threat to take a TD off the board at the "discretion" of the official), reminds me of the ginned up baseVol hate. Does it remind you of it?

 

[WillAtSpyre]

I just saw that Andrew Shultz was there! I listen to him on podcasts all the time

He was super nice.

 

[Devo182]

Anyone notice if you look at just about any recruits 247 page that’s visited tennessee they have those pictures on that profile. Can’t say the same for other schools. Do we have someone inside 247? Haha

Well they are located in Nashville.

#HomeCooking

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Lyle vibes

 

[YNWAvols]

It’s almost like NCAA is trying to alienate as many CFB fans as possible. Every year, they seem to push me further and further away.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I didn't know it was the same crew! Pigskin Macias? When I was thinking about the Pitt game this coming year, I was confronted with the uncomfortable but not un-comical consideration that I don't know which would be worse: an SEC or ACC crew. And, yes, we surely participated in the injuries timeouts. But I think it was a case of "if you can't beat 'em (get the intention and letter of the rule enforced), join 'em." Banning fake injuries would be a ten-fold advantage for us compared to the little respites we grab taking the injury timeouts since everyone else does.

The other rule that others were discussing about penalizing "taunting" (with the threat to take a TD off the board at the "discretion" of the official), reminds me of the ginned up baseVol hate. Does it remind you of it?

Dont even get me started on taunting. I think its about more than hate from a baseball team. Its a microcosm of society and how soft weve become and people being way too worried about feelings.

 

[Devo182]

It’s almost like NCAA is trying to alienate as many CFB fans as possible. Every year, they seem to push me further and further away.

The commissioners, ADs, university presidents, coaches...those controlling the whole thing...they have little care except for short-term gains and dolla dolla bills y'all.

Unfortunately it's hard to see a path forward to take control from them, no matter the mirage of "change"...the same controllers will be there behind the scenes and sitting on the boards, rules, and punishment committees just as they do now. But they'll have many believe "NCAA 2.0" is different this time. Yes, maybe different for the elite few and themselves $$$

 

[Orange.]

Dont even get me started on taunting. I think its about more than hate from a baseball team. Its a microcosm of society and how soft weve become and people being way too worried about feelings.

Barking is ok, though

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Barking is ok, though

Yeah, and MS ST stupid as cow bells.

One other thing that probably helped the taunting/celebration crap TX getting so butthurt about the horns down. As much as they hated the BaseVols, TX has a lot of money to throw around.

 

[MarcoVol]

Dont even get me started on taunting. I think its about more than hate from a baseball team. Its a microcosm of society and how soft weve become and people being way too worried about feelings.

Actually, the act of taunting and excessive celebrations is a new age trend. It’s the old school folks who don’t like it. It’s the old school folks who make the rules.

The practice of “banning” celebrations or taunting isn’t coming from a soft society, it’s coming from a soft group of “old school” men who don’t think it’s good sportsmanship. It is a return to a boring product.

Edit: in a way, it is indeed a microcosm of society. Just not how you say. It’s more like nearly all individual people, the majority of the people, want something. Some progress, some growth, some movement. But the select few who are old and a stuck in their ways (bc those ways work for them) don’t. So they do what they want and tell everyone else to F off.

 

[Devo182]

Dont even get me started on taunting. I think its about more than hate from a baseball team. Its a microcosm of society and how soft weve become and people being way too worried about feelings.

Except you have it all backwards timewise.

"Taunting" or "celebration" as many consider it, was the thing not allowed in old school baseball, the "No Fun League", etc.

The allowance of celebrations has only opened up in recent years. It's the oldheads still pushing against all forms of celebration.

It's more of an old school, Victorian, "gentlemen" style value.

Edit: Marco'd

 

[itsme]

I think an interesting rule would be "players that leave the game for an injury during timed play should not be able to reenter the game until the next possession". You can play the fairness and the player safety angle with that rule. Ole Miss would have lost half of their starting defense on that last possession if that rule would have been in place.

Or that the player cannot re-enter until evaluated by the team doctor in the medical tent.