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Still not addressing anything in regards to teams faking injuries. Up to the school or conference to investigate/punish when complaints are brought forward. I’m sure schools like Ole Miss and Bama will put in harsh punishments for players faking injuries to slow down an opposing offense 😂
They’re even considering giving a ”free” substitution after a first down…🙄
 
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You can go ahead and take this to the bank…we will lose a game this year as a result of one of our TDs being taken away due to taunting being called (and it will probably be a phantom taunting).
On the coaches to not give the refs anything. Bama and UGA will get wide-ranging free passes of course.
 
They’re even considering giving a ”free” substitution after a first down…
I saw that. It is the absolute worst. It means giving our opponent a free time-out at each first down we get. It is so SEC office to pretend that infinite free time-outs is a remedy for teams cheating by taking an illegal number of time outs.
 
Im just happy our coach is just coaching ball and recruiting. I dont need any of that extra stuff that Beamer is doing. We lived through the Butch era.
I'm the same. How many coaches do the extra cringe stuff and fall flat in game. I care more about a coach that cares about football and winning.
 
They’re even considering giving a ”free” substitution after a first down…

This would effectively nullify our offensive system's key advantage. after getting a first down is when our speed really gives us an advantage. Almost like they said "how can we slow down the TN program"?
 
I'm the same. How many coaches do the extra cringe stuff and fall flat in game. I care more about a coach that cares about football and winning.
I can’t remember any coach that pulls those silly stunts and goes on the win a NC. They almost always sizzle out. We should know, we have had our fair share of defuses that we bought into.
 
They’re even considering giving a ”free” substitution after a first down…
That was daddy Saban's suggestion. Hence why it's being considered

I know people are going to hate me for this, but the better idea is just execute clean enough to where it doesn't matter what the defense does. Then any rule or injury or whatever doesn't affect you.
 
Almost every preseason preview and/or preseason ranking for us this year is qualified based on some improvement in our defense versus last year. There’s seems to be a sense that it can’t be any worse. jmo.

How much confidence, not faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen), do you have in our defense improving this year?

Let’s start by addressing the big issue of 3rd downs. Last year we were 4th best in the conference at stopping teams on 3rd downs against the 8 unranked opponents on our schedule (behind Georgia, Auburn, & Alabama) and we were last in the conference against the 5 top 25 ranked opponents on our schedule. It could be argued that discrepancy could be a new system issue which might be more apt to be exposed against better teams, a talent issue, or maybe a defensive playcaller issue, or a bit of all of the above. Whichever it might be the failure to stop ranked teams on 3rd down likely exposed our depth issue which tended to be catastrophic against the better teams on our schedule. jmo.

We were 5th best in the conference for pass rush vs passing attempts. We led the conference in total passes defended but came in 6th for passes defended per attempt. We were also 6th in the conference for rushing yards allowed per attempt. Overall, we were 1st in the conference at forcing 3rd downs and last in the conference at allowing 3rd down conversions but again the culprit is our schedule. Against lesser teams we did fine but against top 25 teams, well, on average not so good. jmo.

We were 6-2 against unranked opponents (losses to UF & Purdue) and 1-4 against ranked opponents (win over UK). The combined score of our games against 8 unranked opponents was 365-171 and the combined score against our 5 ranked opponents was 146-207 (much closer than maybe should have been expected for last year).

We lost the turnover battle in 3 games (BGSU, Pitt, and Georgia) and went 1-2 in those games. The turnover battle was even in 5 games (OM, UA, UK, USA & VU). We went 3-2 in those games. We won the turnover battle in the remaining 5 games (TT, UF, MO, SC, & Purdue). We went 3-2 in those games.

Last year we won the Havoc rate in 7 of our games and went 6-1 in those games (lost to Purdue). We lost the Havoc rate in 6 of our games and went 1-5 (beat Kentucky). Overall last year we had the 5th best Havoc rate in the conference (behind only Georgia, Alabama, Texas A&M, and Auburn).

Our rushing defense was 3rd best in the conference in rushing yards allowed per attempt against our 8 unranked opponents, only behind Georgia and Alabama. We were 4th best in rushing yards per game against unranked opponents. We were 6th best in rushing yards allowed per attempt against ranked opponents but fell to 10th best in rushing yards allowed per game against ranked opponents, likely owing to our inability to stop ranked opponents on 3rd down. jmo.

We faced 3 top 10 passing offenses last year and arguably 5 top 20 passing offenses. It is my view that given the pass rush performance and passes defended performance of our unit last year that the sheer volume of passes attempted against us skews the overall assessment of the unit. Obviously it didn’t disturb the NFL all that much as they took two of our DBs in the April draft. jmo.

I’ve gone through our schedule this year opponent by opponent and based on the history of the coach and the QB for the respective opponent I’ve estimated on average how many passing attempts we will likely face this year. Just from a schedule composition standpoint I think we could face on average 5 less passing attempts per game this year than last. We’ll still face some good coaches and good QBs but the volume of passes we have to defend will I think be reduced by around 15%. I think that will make a bigger difference than some may realize, especially if we can improve on our already decent pass rush and passes defended numbers. jmo.

Last year we forced opposing offenses into 3rd downs 16.62 times per game. We allowed 7.00 of those 3rd downs to be converted, the most by any team in the conference. All other things being equal, all we need to do to get to 1st place in the conference for 3rd down conversion % on defense is to get 2 more stops per game. Piece of cake, right? jmo.

I’ve said I think our DL will be better this year and owing to that we likely will be more successful with a 4-man pass rush. Blakely was graded by PFF on 449 snaps for us last season and he received the lowest grade of anyone on our DL. His replacement will be Tyler Baron who graded out 10 points higher on 395 snaps. Byron Young will be more experienced and he already has a grade of 75.6 on 399 snaps from last year. Even though we lost Matt Butler I think Omari Thomas, Elijah Simmons, Latrell Bumphus, et. al. should man the interior quite well. I think we have great options to back up Baron & Young this year. jmo.

Based on the spring interviews with staff and players I think everyone knows we have to do a better job up front this year at maintaining our rush lanes inside and containment on the edges to limit the opportunities for QB scrambles. This is mental not so much physical. It’s a matter of discipline and I expect we see significant improvement this year. jmo.

At LB we’re still low on numbers but should at least be marginally better due to increased development and experience. We should have at least some depth this year as opposed to last year. jmo.

We have to replace Alontae and Theo in the back end. I think Charles replaces Alontae. Charles is super smart, speedy, and very athletic (also very well spoken). I think Brandon Turnage replaces Theo as he did in the South Carolina game, the game in which his performance won him SEC defensive player of the week. I think we also have some capable depth in the back end this year which should allows us to spell guys here and there when opposing coordinators are trying to get them winded by running them up and down the field before bringing in a fresh receiver to burn them. jmo.

My conclusion is since we performed well in most of our games last year with a first year staff and limited talent and depth, owing to a different mix in our schedule this year, increased development, increased experience, increased acclimation to the SEC for our playcaller, we should be in the top half of the conference on the defensive side of the ball this year. I’m thinking at least top 5. This puts our scoring defense at exactly where Bill Connelly forecasts according to his SP+ model. jmo.

So how does a better defense impact our wins and losses? Most people think we have 5 almost certain wins on our schedule this year and maybe as many as 5 toss-up or one-score games. I think this year with an improved defense we’re probably more apt to win more one-score games like the Pittsburgh, Ole Miss, and Purdue games of last year. I think of our 5 such games this year with an improved defense we may win them all. jmo.
I believe our defense was much better than many suspect or would believe using misleading volume stats. It seems we were moreso hovering around, mostly just above, the national average in almost all efficiency categories...except 3rd down.

Correct 3rd down...whether that is an improved pass rush, better coverage, or better playcalling...and we'll find ourselves with a pretty solid defense. If we can do that AND improve on efficiencies...even 10 or 20%...this will be a scary team.
 
Too late for all that.
With the restructuring of the entire NCAA model, I'd say it's as good of a time as any.

Hopefully enough programs see how destructive the current chaos is and will join in on a centralized model, such as any pro league would incorporate for the good of the national game and not for the benefit of a few megaprograms and megaconferences.

I'm not betting on it, but would love to see some real change against these megalomaniac commissioners scratching each other over...MOAR MONEY...smdh
 
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I saw that. It is the absolute worst. It means giving our opponent a free time-out at each first down we get. It is so SEC office to pretend that infinite free time-outs is a remedy for teams cheating by taking an illegal number of time outs.
Yea - it’s like giving your kid candy every time you walk into a store because they cry about it every time they pass a candy counter. 🤪
 
That was daddy Saban's suggestion. Hence why it's being considered

I know people are going to hate me for this, but the better idea is just execute clean enough to where it doesn't matter what the defense does. Then any rule or injury or whatever doesn't affect you.
I understand what you mean. Yes, it would be an ad hoc rule change aimed at us because Saban is afraid he can't win without even more cheating than the massive cheating he has already piled up. It is being considered for that reason, and it exposes the league as ever more crooked.

And as to your second point, yes, what else is there to do but to "execute" or play as flawlessly as possible against deeper talent and against rigged rules designed precisely to privilege depth and to punish innovation and a scheme that compensates for lack of 5-years of blue chip depth, and that on top of the already manifest rigged officiating that is unusual.

But I think you will grant that there is some ambiguity in "execute." Because what we execute is our scheme, and it it is our scheme specifically that is under attack. See #173,504
 
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Almost every preseason preview and/or preseason ranking for us this year is qualified based on some improvement in our defense versus last year. There’s seems to be a sense that it can’t be any worse. jmo.

How much confidence, not faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen), do you have in our defense improving this year?

Let’s start by addressing the big issue of 3rd downs. Last year we were 4th best in the conference at stopping teams on 3rd downs against the 8 unranked opponents on our schedule (behind Georgia, Auburn, & Alabama) and we were last in the conference against the 5 top 25 ranked opponents on our schedule. It could be argued that discrepancy could be a new system issue which might be more apt to be exposed against better teams, a talent issue, or maybe a defensive playcaller issue, or a bit of all of the above. Whichever it might be the failure to stop ranked teams on 3rd down likely exposed our depth issue which tended to be catastrophic against the better teams on our schedule. jmo.

We were 5th best in the conference for pass rush vs passing attempts. We led the conference in total passes defended but came in 6th for passes defended per attempt. We were also 6th in the conference for rushing yards allowed per attempt. Overall, we were 1st in the conference at forcing 3rd downs and last in the conference at allowing 3rd down conversions but again the culprit is our schedule. Against lesser teams we did fine but against top 25 teams, well, on average not so good. jmo.

We were 6-2 against unranked opponents (losses to UF & Purdue) and 1-4 against ranked opponents (win over UK). The combined score of our games against 8 unranked opponents was 365-171 and the combined score against our 5 ranked opponents was 146-207 (much closer than maybe should have been expected for last year).

We lost the turnover battle in 3 games (BGSU, Pitt, and Georgia) and went 1-2 in those games. The turnover battle was even in 5 games (OM, UA, UK, USA & VU). We went 3-2 in those games. We won the turnover battle in the remaining 5 games (TT, UF, MO, SC, & Purdue). We went 3-2 in those games.

Last year we won the Havoc rate in 7 of our games and went 6-1 in those games (lost to Purdue). We lost the Havoc rate in 6 of our games and went 1-5 (beat Kentucky). Overall last year we had the 5th best Havoc rate in the conference (behind only Georgia, Alabama, Texas A&M, and Auburn).

Our rushing defense was 3rd best in the conference in rushing yards allowed per attempt against our 8 unranked opponents, only behind Georgia and Alabama. We were 4th best in rushing yards per game against unranked opponents. We were 6th best in rushing yards allowed per attempt against ranked opponents but fell to 10th best in rushing yards allowed per game against ranked opponents, likely owing to our inability to stop ranked opponents on 3rd down. jmo.

We faced 3 top 10 passing offenses last year and arguably 5 top 20 passing offenses. It is my view that given the pass rush performance and passes defended performance of our unit last year that the sheer volume of passes attempted against us skews the overall assessment of the unit. Obviously it didn’t disturb the NFL all that much as they took two of our DBs in the April draft. jmo.

I’ve gone through our schedule this year opponent by opponent and based on the history of the coach and the QB for the respective opponent I’ve estimated on average how many passing attempts we will likely face this year. Just from a schedule composition standpoint I think we could face on average 5 less passing attempts per game this year than last. We’ll still face some good coaches and good QBs but the volume of passes we have to defend will I think be reduced by around 15%. I think that will make a bigger difference than some may realize, especially if we can improve on our already decent pass rush and passes defended numbers. jmo.

Last year we forced opposing offenses into 3rd downs 16.62 times per game. We allowed 7.00 of those 3rd downs to be converted, the most by any team in the conference. All other things being equal, all we need to do to get to 1st place in the conference for 3rd down conversion % on defense is to get 2 more stops per game. Piece of cake, right? jmo.

I’ve said I think our DL will be better this year and owing to that we likely will be more successful with a 4-man pass rush. Blakely was graded by PFF on 449 snaps for us last season and he received the lowest grade of anyone on our DL. His replacement will be Tyler Baron who graded out 10 points higher on 395 snaps. Byron Young will be more experienced and he already has a grade of 75.6 on 399 snaps from last year. Even though we lost Matt Butler I think Omari Thomas, Elijah Simmons, Latrell Bumphus, et. al. should man the interior quite well. I think we have great options to back up Baron & Young this year. jmo.

Based on the spring interviews with staff and players I think everyone knows we have to do a better job up front this year at maintaining our rush lanes inside and containment on the edges to limit the opportunities for QB scrambles. This is mental not so much physical. It’s a matter of discipline and I expect we see significant improvement this year. jmo.

At LB we’re still low on numbers but should at least be marginally better due to increased development and experience. We should have at least some depth this year as opposed to last year. jmo.

We have to replace Alontae and Theo in the back end. I think Charles replaces Alontae. Charles is super smart, speedy, and very athletic (also very well spoken). I think Brandon Turnage replaces Theo as he did in the South Carolina game, the game in which his performance won him SEC defensive player of the week. I think we also have some capable depth in the back end this year which should allows us to spell guys here and there when opposing coordinators are trying to get them winded by running them up and down the field before bringing in a fresh receiver to burn them. jmo.

My conclusion is since we performed well in most of our games last year with a first year staff and limited talent and depth, owing to a different mix in our schedule this year, increased development, increased experience, increased acclimation to the SEC for our playcaller, we should be in the top half of the conference on the defensive side of the ball this year. I’m thinking at least top 5. This puts our scoring defense at exactly where Bill Connelly forecasts according to his SP+ model. jmo.

So how does a better defense impact our wins and losses? Most people think we have 5 almost certain wins on our schedule this year and maybe as many as 5 toss-up or one-score games. I think this year with an improved defense we’re probably more apt to win more one-score games like the Pittsburgh, Ole Miss, and Purdue games of last year. I think of our 5 such games this year with an improved defense we may win them all. jmo.
Great post. Thank you.
 
I understand what you mean. Yes, it would be an ad hoc rule change aimed at us because Saban is afraid he can't win without even more cheating than the massive cheating he has already piled up. It is being considered for that reason, and it exposes the league as ever more crooked.

And as to your second point, yes, what else is there to do but to "execute" or play as flawlessly as possible against deeper talent and against rigged rules designed precisely to privilege depth and to punish innovation and a scheme that compensates for lack of 5-years of blue chip depth, and that on top of the already manifest rigged officiating that is unusual.

But I think you will grant that there is some ambiguity in "execute." Because what we execute is our scheme, and it it is our scheme specifically that is under attack.
Sure having Studs would help and that isn't going to happen overnight, and I won't argue tempo is under attack, defensive minded coaches have hated it since it became a thing. But everybody wants to point out the OM game last year. OM wasn't absurdly more talented than TN. They weren't loaded with blue chips. TN just had chances and didn't execute. Injuries didn't help for sure but how many missed tackles did the defense have? How many times did the O line get blown up and give up a sack? How little pressure did our D line get?
 
I love how NCAA finds a way to add even more rules that are subjective and open to interpretation. I mean we just don’t have enough ways for a referee to effect the outcome of a game.

When was taunting even that big of an issue that we decided it needs to effect the outcome of a game? I must have missed the big influx of issues stemming from taunting that is plaguing the game.
I'd bet it was made for the "horns down" taunt against cry-baby Texas.
 
I love how NCAA finds a way to add even more rules that are subjective and open to interpretation. I mean we just don’t have enough ways for a referee to effect the outcome of a game.

When was taunting even that big of an issue that we decided it needs to effect the outcome of a game? I must have missed the big influx of issues stemming from taunting that is plaguing the game.

Texas crying about the horns down thing is probably what brought this on. The mean teams turned our hand sign upside down and it hurts their feewings.
 
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