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SpringBokVol said:
I disliked Heupel when he was at Oklahoma. He just seemed like a turd from the outside.

I didn’t pay any attention to him at UCF.

I was jealous when I flipped on their games and saw how explosive the offense was. I didn’t understand why we couldn’t play that way.

Then we hired him and I was on the fence.

I was extremely pleased with year 1.

I think we hit a grand slam with this hire.

He is coming into his own. He trusts his system and coaches.

It works. He knows it. He can teach it.

Pretty awesome to watch him work. Still young and hungry!!!
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I thought Kiffin could have swagger, but in the end he lacked confidence. Heupel is showing out what unsuppressible swagger is. He had seen what the foundational platform of Tennessee football can be and he has bought in and is going for it.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
So if a school signed a lot of those 3 stars that got drafted instead of the statistically better 4 stars that did not they would not be a better team?

Star based statistics are so flawed because the services using the best info available, hand a bunch of HS juniors 4 stars as the best 300 to 400 players and then if that does not play out Do not bump them back to 3 stars. Then to keep their roadmaps in line don’t have enough star slots left to elevate the late bloomers.

Then after 3-4 years some properly rated low star guys explode into ball players too and get drafted instead of the higher star guys too.

Percentages aside how else did 450 low star guys get drafted while about 250 4 stars did and 1000 did not? BTW what happened to the 40% of the 5 stars that did not get drafted over that same 3 year period?

I simply don’t think the accuracy of the star givers can be used to prove anything other than it is an impossible task.

It goes back to the ole meeting for a CEO. He asked accounting WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS and they supplied them. Then he asked a statistician WHAT DO THE NUMBERS SAY?
To which the statistician replied. WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO SAY?

Bet the heavy hitters are not blindly digging into the 4 star pool, but only in the upper reaches. That data will be hard to find.
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It’s not that complicated. It’s no coincidence that the same teams winning conference and division championships and making the CFP year in and year out and going to NY6 or former BCS Bowls are the ones finishing in the top 10 in recruiting every year. Yeah there are the Michigan States, Utahs, and Baylors etc every now and then, but generally speaking teams that consistently recruit in the top 7-8 are the teams that usually end up in the playoff. After this season we can’t finish outside of the top 12 again if we plan on consistently having 10+ win seasons
 
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Dudley Smith said:
My skepticism of Willie Martinez goes back to when he was the DC at UGA in 2009 and I sat in Neyland watching his defense look completely clueless as the heretofore incompetent Jonathan Crompton ran bootleg after bootleg to hit deep passes and run them out of the stadium. It was like they didn’t understand that was a legal play they were so surprised by it every time.

But I understand he has improved over the years and I’m happy to have him as our DB’s coach. Some coordinators aren’t cut out to be head coaches and some position coaches aren’t cut out to be coordinators.
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I just went back and watched the highlights of that game. It's so obvious now that one of the things that makes Kiffin such a good offensive mind is that he just keeps it so simple.

He probably recognized that UGA had a weakness (or UT an advantage) on the perimeter. And UGA had the advantage on the interior. So how do you buy time for your skill players to get open and to the edge?

Bootleg, bootleg, toss sweep, bootleg, TE/FB screen, bootleg. Just killed them with it. Then in the second half added more play action passes and running Hardesty up the middle on a DL that was surely exhausted from chasing bootlegs and screens all game. It was simple. It exploited weaknesses and played to strengths.

It's the same thing he did with Corral in Neyland last fall. We couldn't contain Corral and our DBs couldn't chase their receivers forever. Except they didn't always have to bootleg Corral and he just made Beasley and Banks look silly. Got worse when they started releasing the center to block the LB. Basically giving him 15 yards of free real estate on long situations.

Sometimes coaches make football really complicated. But as far as I'm aware the well-known prolific offensive coaches keep it fairly simple: Kiffin, Leach, Heupel, Briles. They just do it in different ways.
 
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Riverratvolfan said:
@VolsDoc81TX
Sorry to be a bother but I have a question. I remember you saying your wife is a pediatrician.
Can a toddler (5 in October) develop Toxic Synovitis after getting booster shots? He got his shots for school and he’s abnormally sore like not walking sore. I know it’s more common for boys and normally caused by reaction to a viral infection, but didn’t know if it could be caused from vaccinations.
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No worries. It’s most common with an associated viral illness, but can happen after a vaccination as well. Anything that causes an inflammatory response can trigger a bout of toxic synovitis.
 
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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
It’s not that complicated. It’s no coincidence that the same teams winning conference and division championships and making the CFP year in and year out and going to NY6 or former BCS Bowls are the ones finishing in the top 10 in recruiting every year. Yeah there are the Michigan States, Utahs, and Baylors etc every now and then, but generally speaking teams that consistently recruit in the top 7-8 are the teams that usually end up in the playoff. After this season we can’t finish outside of the top 12 again if we plan on consistently having 10+ win seasons
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I spent a bit of time running that claim down a few days ago. After basically OSU, Bama, Clemson, and UGA... the recruiting rankings actually do not predict the rankings all that well. UGA and Bama ranked high. The other 3 SEC teams that finished in the top 25 last year did not average recruiting in the top 25.

The further the recruiting sites get from endorsing the players those teams recruit... the less accurate they become.
 
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SoilVol said:
I just went back and watched the highlights of that game. It's so obvious now that one of the things that makes Kiffin such a good offensive mind is that he just keeps it so simple.

He probably recognized that UGA had a weakness (or UT an advantage) on the perimeter. And UGA had the advantage on the interior. So how do you buy time for your skill players to get open and to the edge?

Bootleg, bootleg, toss sweep, bootleg, TE/FB screen, bootleg. Just killed them with it. Then in the second half added more play action passes and running Hardesty up the middle on a DL that was surely exhausted from chasing bootlegs and screens all game. It was simple. It exploited weaknesses and played to strengths.

It's the same thing he did with Corral in Neyland last fall. We couldn't contain Corral and our DBs couldn't chase their receivers forever. Except they didn't always have to bootleg Corral and he just made Beasley and Banks look silly. Got worse when they started releasing the center to block the LB. Basically giving him 15 yards of free real estate on long situations.

Sometimes coaches make football really complicated. But as far as I'm aware the well-known prolific offensive coaches keep it fairly simple: Kiffin, Leach, Heupel, Briles. They just do it in different ways.
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Georgia actually had a very talented defense that year. There was speed and size all over the field. Kiffin simply outschemed us, and that was why Mark Richt eventually lost his job. Inability to make good hires or abandon bad hires.
 
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