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bignewt said:
What kind of pumpkin head drops UConn girls bball news in the football thread IN AUGUST.

Sounds like something Tebow would do.
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I’m sorry to disappoint you…. I was sharing it for our Lady Vol fans since we play UCONN this season…. Would you have preferred a post adding to the argument of whether Kentucky is a toss up or not…. Possibly a post whining about recruiting and how we will never compete with anyone at this rate…. Perhaps an original post about whether or not Tillman is coming back….. just let me know which kind of post that you would prefer’
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
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This one got me in the feels. I watched and listened to this game the exact same way. Tv on, sound down, John Ward blaring on the radio.

I still feel it like it was yesterday, except I was 10 and my parents were the same age I am now. My dad and I were banished to the bonus room in the first half by my mom who didn’t want to hear us yelling at the tv. The rest is history.

Life passes you fast. 31 years later. I’m a dad now and we’re all older. But somehow, this replay rewinds time like it was just last season and I’m a kid back at home with my parents. Funny how a football game can do that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So the devices get the top 4 mostly right. Those top 4 just so happens to be the teams year in and year out that win the championships. Interesting huh?
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That's like saying the kid who hangs out with the smartest kids in school and learns how to copy their work is also one of the smartest kids in school.

Their "accuracy" drops off on guys they rate highly that the Bamas of the world do not want. That makes those programs and those coaches good at identifying talent... not the journalists who work at those sites. Yep. Interesting but not in the way you think.
 
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norrislakevol said:
The recruiting rankings DO predict your chances of winning a national championship though, and the SEC championship for that matter as well. Nick Saban could never turn Missouri, Vandy, or South Carolina into a title winner if he recruited just like they do now. It just can't be done. You have to have the Jimmy's and the Joe's.
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You have that pretty much reversed though. Saban knows talent. If the recruiting sites didn't take stock of who he recruited... he would still find talent. If there were a way that who was recruiting who could be hidden and the recruiting sites had to rely primarily on their own ability to find and recognize talent then they would be even less accurate than they are.
 
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headhunter15 said:


Read this today. What are some other options? I’d love to see a 1 game preseason for college football. I feel this could help get the kinks out of an offense before a big nationally televised game to open the season.
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Didn’t read the article but this is how I’d run college football.
- Spring game scrimmages against other teams
- No preseason game. Schedule stays pretty much exactly like it is now.
- 14 teams max in a conference
- NIL should not be used in recruiting at all. How you make that work? I don’t know but ideally NIL wouldn’t start until the kids sophomore year.
- One time transfer ONLY. There would be a transfer season where transfers could not be contacted or commit until a week after national title game through end of April. Any body that leaves their current school outside of that window forfeits a year of eligibility and must wait until the next transfer season to talk to schools.
-23 is max signing class, Period. No exceptions
- Signing day goes back to February. I don’t like having a signing day during coaching changes and bowl season.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m sorry to disappoint you…. I was sharing it for our Lady Vol fans since we play UCONN this season…. Would you have preferred a post adding to the argument of whether Kentucky is a toss up or not…. Possibly a post whining about recruiting and how we will never compete with anyone at this rate…. Perhaps an original post about whether or not Tillman is coming back….. just let me know which kind of post that you would prefer’
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A commitment would be nice. Especially if you consider that it would most likely be one of the two CBs. I don't think anyone else we have a shot with is close to popping. But recruiting prognosticators currently have both as leans to other schools.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's like saying the kid who hangs out with the smartest kids in school and learns how to copy their work is also one of the smartest kids in school.

Their "accuracy" drops off on guys they rate highly that the Bamas of the world do not want. That makes those programs and those coaches good at identifying talent... not the journalists who work at those sites. Yep. Interesting but not in the way you think.
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Yep. It just goes to show how wrong you continue to be. Strange you just can’t see it.
 
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sjt18 said:
You have that pretty much reversed though. Saban knows talent. If the recruiting sites didn't take stock of who he recruited... he would still find talent. If there were a way that who was recruiting who could be hidden and the recruiting sites had to rely primarily on their own ability to find and recognize talent then they would be even less accurate than they are.
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Your missing the forest for the trees here. Saban absolutely does know talent, and he has always been able to stack it up every year. The recruiting services don't just look at one another and say; "Hey guys! Who is Saban recruiting? That is who we need to give our highest ratings to!" The recruiting services have camps, go to games, watch film, ect to determine who the best players are. They don't just sit around and rely on coaches.
 
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sjt18 said:
You have that pretty much reversed though. Saban knows talent. If the recruiting sites didn't take stock of who he recruited... he would still find talent. If there were a way that who was recruiting who could be hidden and the recruiting sites had to rely primarily on their own ability to find and recognize talent then they would be even less accurate than they are.
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So it just so happens that most of the talent Saban recognizes are highly rated 4 and 5* guys. Your what if scenario about the recruiting services is moot. Recruiting services exist and here are the FACTS.

1. The teams with the most 4 and 5* players win at the highest rate.

2. The big 4? Bama, UGA, OSU and Clemson? Has been responsible for 10 of the last 13 national championships.

Those 2 facts are irrefutable. Those facts blow your narrative to pieces.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Your missing the forest for the trees here. Saban absolutely does know talent, and he has always been able to stack it up every year. The recruiting services don't just look at one another and say; "Hey guys! Who is Saban recruiting? That is who we need to give our highest ratings to!" The recruiting services have camps, go to games, watch film, ect to determine who the best players are. They don't just sit around and rely on coaches.
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It’s almost like he thinks kids aren’t ranked until Saban shows interest in them. So every one of Bamas targets are 3* and when Saban shows interest they shoot you to 5*. His arguments are beyond crazy.
 
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justinvol88 said:
Didn’t read the article but this is how I’d run college football.
- Spring game scrimmages against other teams
- No preseason game. Schedule stays pretty much exactly like it is now.
- 14 teams max in a conference
- NIL should not be used in recruiting at all. How you make that work? I don’t know but ideally NIL wouldn’t start until the kids sophomore year.
- One time transfer ONLY. There would be a transfer season where transfers could not be contacted or commit until a week after national title game through end of April. Any body that leaves their current school outside of that window forfeits a year of eligibility and must wait until the next transfer season to talk to schools.
-23 is max signing class, Period. No exceptions
- Signing day goes back to February. I don’t like having a signing day during coaching changes and bowl season.
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Could get behind the spring game scrimmage!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The problem is you are using where guys get drafted in relation to their HS star rankings and that’s flawed. When a kid comes out of HS they are ranked according to many factors. But those kids have had NO high level coaching at the college level.

Take the CEO situation to a different level. If you were a CEO and we’re evaluating potential employees, who would you hire? Let’s say you were looking at 5 people. Experience is equal but two have degrees from Harvard, one from MIT, one from Liberty and the other from ETSU. Which ones are you gonna look at more or are gonna be more likely to hire? Please don’t say ETSU and Liberty. You are gonna look more at the Harvard and MIT people. Why? They are perceived to have been better prepared and more capable. The Harvard and MIT people are the 4 and 5*s. While the others are your 3*s.

There isn’t a team that’s win championships that are built upon 3* players. That doesn’t mean a team cannot have really good 3* players. But to win championships, you have to have a high amount of blue chip players. That’s undeniable. And by blue chips, I mean high 4 and 5* guys. The data proves it. We are talking about the COLLEGE level. Not the NFL.
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This you guys can try to say all the things you want to make yourselves feel better about 3 stars but the history and data just do not support that we can win championships without the higher ranked players
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
So if a school signed a lot of those 3 stars that got drafted instead of the statistically better 4 stars that did not they would not be a better team?

Star based statistics are so flawed because the services using the best info available, hand a bunch of HS juniors 4 stars as the best 300 to 400 players and then if that does not play out Do not bump them back to 3 stars. Then to keep their roadmaps in line don’t have enough star slots left to elevate the late bloomers.

Then after 3-4 years some properly rated low star guys explode into ball players too and get drafted instead of the higher star guys too.

Percentages aside how else did 450 low star guys get drafted while about 250 4 stars did and 1000 did not? BTW what happened to the 40% of the 5 stars that did not get drafted over that same 3 year period?

I simply don’t think the accuracy of the star givers can be used to prove anything other than it is an impossible task.

It goes back to the ole meeting for a CEO. He asked accounting WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS and they supplied them. Then he asked a statistician WHAT DO THE NUMBERS SAY?
To which the statistician replied. WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO SAY?

Bet the heavy hitters are not blindly digging into the 4 star pool, but only in the upper reaches. That data will be hard to find.
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Once again your argument holds little weight because by your logic 250 4 stars got drafted and 1000 did not, correct? And your argument is that is that there were more lower Star players that got draft at 450, which is fair. But by that method we see that 7339 lower Star players did not get drafted. That’s more that 7 times the four and five stars that didn’t get drafted.

See it’s not 1:1. It’s like telling a quarterback with a 25% completion rate to just go out and throw it more and we’ll eventually get more completions. With a max of 25 players per class, it makes more logical sense to stack it with the cohorts that distribute higher success. And that’s why only the teams with the Blue chip ratio have won championships.

And yeah on your quote i think you want them to say that recruiting rankings don’t matter in a desperate attempt to make yourself feel better about our three stars and I get that. But result don’t really care about your feelings. So we can try to accept mediocrity or grow and learn how to get better. Because I’d venture a guess that Heupel isn’t making excuses for the top tier prospects he went after didn’t closed, and learning and becoming a better closer.
 
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Weezer said:
A commitment would be nice. Especially if you consider that it would most likely be one of the two CBs. I don't think anyone else we have a shot with is close to popping. But recruiting prognosticators currently have both as leans to other schools.
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I don’t think we get either cb as of right now….. it’s all about roster building and I feel we are doing a great job at that… Keep growing our brand and recruiting will keep improving…. It’s just August…. There will be more players that we either identify as potential Vols or we will address it in the transfer portal.
 
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