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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Fair point then. Still, I think Ms State has comparable talent and they don’t have wins like that. When Mullen beat Auburn and LSU they were bad.

Look, I’m not saying that Mullen is a bad coach. I don’t think he’s as good as everyone is pretending like, but I think he’ll be a horrible fit at Florida and will be gone in 4 years or less
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Fit is definitely part of it. No doubt about it. I don’t think it’s fair to say those schools were bad when he beat them. Auburn and LSU always have horses.

I hope you’re right about him because if he’s gone then that probably means we’re beating them. I think Mullen is a really high floor guy. I don’t see him ever doing worse than like 7-5 there. So it’s just how patient or accepting they will be down there.
 
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HankHill said:
Fit is definitely part of it. No doubt about it. I don’t think it’s fair to say those schools were bad when he beat them. Auburn and LSU always have horses.

I hope you’re right about him because if he’s gone then that probably means we’re beating them. I think Mullen is a really high floor guy. I don’t see him ever doing worse than like 7-5 there. So it’s just how patient or accepting they will be down there.
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I agree with that. Florida won’t tolerate 7-5. They wanted Mac or after winning the east twice.
 
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KJ3 Reaction | 2018 Florida Gators Football Prediction/Expectations - YouTube

How much meth did this loser have to sell in order to buy his mini-basketball goal?

He says Florida beats us by 8 because our schedule is tough, our coaching search was crazy, "Pruitt is not a fit at Tennessee", and their record against us over the last 14 years.

Out of those four reasons, how many are factors into the actual game? I'll save you some very minimal mental lifting. The answer is zero. And he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
KJ3 Reaction | 2018 Florida Gators Football Prediction/Expectations - YouTube

How much meth did this loser have to sell in order to buy his mini-basketball goal?

He says Florida beats us by 8 because our schedule is tough, our coaching search was crazy, "Pruitt is not a fit at Tennessee", and their record against us over the last 14 years.

Out of those four reasons, how many are factors into the actual game? I'll save you some very minimal mental lifting. The answer is zero. And he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Speaking of fit. Whereas I question Mullen at Florida, I can’t think of a better fit for TN than Pruitt. He’s a good ole country boy, hard nosed, no nonsense coach. He’s a perfect fit imo
 
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Batman1948 said:
Not 4 star guys. They have a ton of 3 stars
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The 3 stars they’re landing have good offer lists...unlike before. And they’re on a bunch of short lists...unlike before. Moorehead will build a sustained program...unlike before.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Speaking of fit. Whereas I question Mullen at Florida, I can’t think of a better fit for TN than Pruitt. He’s a good ole country boy, hard nosed, no nonsense coach. He’s a perfect fit imo
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Dude, agreed.

Mullen might be the guy for Florida, he might not be. I think it's too comfortable of a conclusion just because he was their QB coach/OC under Urban Meyer. Mullen is good-not-great overall, and he has developed serious QB talent. It just seems too easy to say Florida got their guy by making a B+ hire.

As far as we go, I hate to sound revisionist. But first look at our last three coaches, and then look at the names we were looking at this year.

Kiffin: Unproven offensive wunderkind.

Dooley: Looks and talks all nice like, but mostly incompetent outside of the passing game.

Butch: Marketing and networking. Still probably a strong G5 HC.

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Gruden: Highly proven at the pro level, highly unproven at the college level.

Gundy: Good ol' boy, but can't recruit and has no ties to the south. Can't beat rivals. Values the pass over the run.

Doeren: Butch 2.0, as evidenced by a very "2016 Vols" season last year at NCSU.

Schiano: Defensive-minded, did well at Rutgers. Doesn't know the south, and we're not Rutgers.

The Pirate: Pure anarchy. There is no fit when you bring anarchy aboard.

Chip Kelly: Doesn't croot. West coast guy. We're tired of gimmick offenses.

Tee: Definitely ours. Still percolating at USC. Too unproven to take the risk at this juncture.

Mullen: So glad we let UF have him. Mullen does deserve credit for his QB's over the years, as well as the success he saw at State. I think he would have been a lights-out hire for a middling P5 program (one that's a step up from State), but I think he's about as edgy as a Coldplay song. He may have some 10-win seasons at Florida (if we hired him, I don't know if I'd have confidence he'd do the same here), but I don't think he's CFP-coaching good.

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Seriously, no one fits us like the Pruitt hire. The only thing I'm weary of is that we definitely took a risk with CJP being a first year HC (as well as Rocker and Helton being first-time coordinators). It seems like Fulmer is there to help every step of the way, though. Pruitt and his staff check every single other box on the list.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Speaking of fit. Whereas I question Mullen at Florida, I can’t think of a better fit for TN than Pruitt. He’s a good ole country boy, hard nosed, no nonsense coach. He’s a perfect fit imo
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Plus he's defensive-minded.

That's how Tennessee wins. Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch were all offense-first coaches. I can't wait to get back to the point of being able to rely on defensive stands.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Dude, agreed.

Mullen might be the guy for Florida, he might not be. I think it's too comfortable of a conclusion just because he was their QB coach/OC under Urban Meyer. Mullen is good-not-great overall, and he has developed serious QB talent. It just seems too easy to say Florida got their guy by making a B+ hire.

As far as we go, I hate to sound revisionist. But first look at our last three coaches, and then look at the names we were looking at this year.

Kiffin: Unproven offensive wunderkind.

Dooley: Looks and talks all nice like, but mostly incompetent outside of the passing game.

Butch: Marketing and networking. Still probably a strong G5 HC.

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Gruden: Highly proven at the pro level, highly unproven at the college level.

Gundy: Good ol' boy, but can't recruit and has no ties to the south. Can't beat rivals. Values the pass over the run.

Doeren: Butch 2.0, as evidenced by a very "2016 Vols" season last year at NCSU.

Schiano: Defensive-minded, did well at Rutgers. Doesn't know the south, and we're not Rutgers.

The Pirate: Pure anarchy. There is no fit when you bring anarchy aboard.

Chip Kelly: Doesn't croot. West coast guy. We're tired of gimmick offenses.

Tee: Definitely ours. Still percolating at USC. Too unproven to take the risk at this juncture.

Mullen: So glad we let UF have him. Mullen does deserve credit for his QB's over the years, as well as the success he saw at State. I think he would have been a lights-out hire for a middling P5 program (one that's a step up from State), but I think he's about as edgy as a Coldplay song. He may have some 10-win seasons at Florida (if we hired him, I don't know if I'd have confidence he'd do the same here), but I don't think he's CFP-coaching good.

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Seriously, no one fits us like the Pruitt hire. The only thing I'm weary of is that we definitely took a risk with CJP being a first year HC (as well as Rocker and Helton being first-time coordinators). It seems like Fulmer is there to help every step of the way, though. Pruitt and his staff check every single other box on the list.
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Rocker’s not the DC. Are you thinking Rumph...since he’s listed as co-DC with Sherrer?
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Dude, agreed.

Mullen might be the guy for Florida, he might not be. I think it's too comfortable of a conclusion just because he was their QB coach/OC under Urban Meyer. Mullen is good-not-great overall, and he has developed serious QB talent. It just seems too easy to say Florida got their guy by making a B+ hire.

As far as we go, I hate to sound revisionist. But first look at our last three coaches, and then look at the names we were looking at this year.

Kiffin: Unproven offensive wunderkind.

Dooley: Looks and talks all nice like, but mostly incompetent outside of the passing game.

Butch: Marketing and networking. Still probably a strong G5 HC.

-----------------------------------------------

Gruden: Highly proven at the pro level, highly unproven at the college level.

Gundy: Good ol' boy, but can't recruit and has no ties to the south. Can't beat rivals. Values the pass over the run.

Doeren: Butch 2.0, as evidenced by a very "2016 Vols" season last year at NCSU.

Schiano: Defensive-minded, did well at Rutgers. Doesn't know the south, and we're not Rutgers.

The Pirate: Pure anarchy. There is no fit when you bring anarchy aboard.

Chip Kelly: Doesn't croot. West coast guy. We're tired of gimmick offenses.

Tee: Definitely ours. Still percolating at USC. Too unproven to take the risk at this juncture.

Mullen: So glad we let UF have him. Mullen does deserve credit for his QB's over the years, as well as the success he saw at State. I think he would have been a lights-out hire for a middling P5 program (one that's a step up from State), but I think he's about as edgy as a Coldplay song. He may have some 10-win seasons at Florida (if we hired him, I don't know if I'd have confidence he'd do the same here), but I don't think he's CFP-coaching good.

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Seriously, no one fits us like the Pruitt hire. The only thing I'm weary of is that we definitely took a risk with CJP being a first year HC (as well as Rocker and Helton being first-time coordinators). It seems like Fulmer is there to help every step of the way, though. Pruitt and his staff check every single other box on the list.
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Great post. Agree
 
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Great article by ESPN on Pruitt's defense. I excite

"Every data set has its outliers, and when it comes to takeaways in college football, the man standing on the far end of the bell curve is Tennessee coach Jeremy Pruitt. If luck is the determining factor in turnovers, Pruitt's got a pocketful of four-leaf clovers.

Pruitt spent five years as a defensive coordinator at three different schools before being hired in December to head up the Volunteers' rejuvenation. In that span, Washington leads all Power 5 programs with 136 takeaways. But add up each of Pruitt's stops -- Florida State, Georgia and Alabama -- and he's got even more, 139. His defenses exceeded the Power 5 average in takeaways every season, and he ranked in the top 10 three times. At each new stop, Pruitt increased takeaways from the prior regime by an average of nearly 10 per season.

Luck? Nah, Pruitt's got to have a real strategy.

"Some of it starts with recruiting," Pruitt said. "You want defensive guys that are used to handling the ball. When you talk about playing pass plays in general, the most important thing is playing the ball. That's stressed."

Play the ball, catch the ball. Simple enough. So why is Pruitt such an outlier?

He can list off plenty of reasons. He's had great athletes. He stresses putting pressure on the quarterback, something that, as offenses increasingly add run-pass options to their playbooks, makes for even more takeaway chances. And he asks his defenses to be aggressive, to dictate the action rather than respond to it.

And that all sounds pretty good, except that the data suggests there might be some other significant factors playing into Pruitt's success that have very little to do with all that practice and scheme.

Over the past 10 years, no team has a better turnover ratio than Alabama, where Pruitt has spent five years as an assistant coach. The Crimson Tide's turnover margin is a whopping plus-93 since 2008, and they've hauled in an impressive 250 takeaways during that span. But of those 250 takeaways, 205 came when Alabama already had the lead (82 percent), and 147 came when it led by 10 points or more (59 percent). And statistics show that teams playing from behind are far more apt to cough up the ball.

Alabama also has faced the third-highest rate of pass plays over that span, and teams are about three times more likely to turn the ball over on a pass play than a run. And Alabama's defense has faced more third-and-long plays than any other FBS team in that stretch. Turnovers occur at a far higher rate on third-and-long than any other down and distance.

Those trends hold true at each of Pruitt's stops, which certainly is a credit to his defenses, though not necessarily attributable to strip drills, defensive backs with great hands or repeated team mantras about the importance of takeaways.

"It's about making your players understand the situations and opportunities, and if you rep it and stress it, over time, you can influence it," Pruitt said. "That's probably the biggest thing."

Perhaps that's right. Pruitt certainly believes in his philosophy, though this season will serve as its biggest test. Last season, Tennessee finished with just 15 takeaways, tied for 97th nationally. It was also playing from behind 58 percent of the time, faced passes on just 36 percent of its defensive snaps and faced the seventh-fewest third-and-longs in the country. Those numbers might prove far more daunting in the quest to up Tennessee's takeaway count."
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http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...aches-their-everlasting-quest-coach-turnovers
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Dude, agreed.

Mullen might be the guy for Florida, he might not be. I think it's too comfortable of a conclusion just because he was their QB coach/OC under Urban Meyer. Mullen is good-not-great overall, and he has developed serious QB talent. It just seems too easy to say Florida got their guy by making a B+ hire.

As far as we go, I hate to sound revisionist. But first look at our last three coaches, and then look at the names we were looking at this year.

Kiffin: Unproven offensive wunderkind.

Dooley: Looks and talks all nice like, but mostly incompetent outside of the passing game.

Butch: Marketing and networking. Still probably a strong G5 HC.

-----------------------------------------------

Gruden: Highly proven at the pro level, highly unproven at the college level.

Gundy: Good ol' boy, but can't recruit and has no ties to the south. Can't beat rivals. Values the pass over the run.

Doeren: Butch 2.0, as evidenced by a very "2016 Vols" season last year at NCSU.

Schiano: Defensive-minded, did well at Rutgers. Doesn't know the south, and we're not Rutgers.

The Pirate: Pure anarchy. There is no fit when you bring anarchy aboard.

Chip Kelly: Doesn't croot. West coast guy. We're tired of gimmick offenses.

Tee: Definitely ours. Still percolating at USC. Too unproven to take the risk at this juncture.

Mullen: So glad we let UF have him. Mullen does deserve credit for his QB's over the years, as well as the success he saw at State. I think he would have been a lights-out hire for a middling P5 program (one that's a step up from State), but I think he's about as edgy as a Coldplay song. He may have some 10-win seasons at Florida (if we hired him, I don't know if I'd have confidence he'd do the same here), but I don't think he's CFP-coaching good.

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Seriously, no one fits us like the Pruitt hire. The only thing I'm weary of is that we definitely took a risk with CJP being a first year HC (as well as Rocker and Helton being first-time coordinators). It seems like Fulmer is there to help every step of the way, though. Pruitt and his staff check every single other box on the list.
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When did Pruitt go out and prove himself as a HC, especially in comparison with the Power 5 Conference and Super Bowl winning coaches you put in there?
 
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HankHill said:
I would’ve taken Chip Kelly in a heartbeat and would take him over any college coach not named saban or Meyer.
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Then I’m glad he’s scared of the SEC and that you’ve never applied yourself well enough to be our AD. :)
 
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Thought this was interesting. I love our WRs but I wouldn’t mind having Vic in the slot.
 

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HankHill said:
I would’ve taken Chip Kelly in a heartbeat and would take him over any college coach not named saban or Meyer.
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I think he's a good coach, but not here.

Tennessee fans starved for football 352 days out of the year. We have threads for every football prospect even tangentially mentioned in a Rivals or 247 post. We dissect tweets from analysts, coaches, VFL's, Phil Steele, Athlon, everything.

UCLA didn't sign their first recruit until June. Now they're up to five commits, all of whom are 3*'s, good for 82nd nationally and 10th in the PAC. Let's be real. Imagine how miserable this place would be had we signed Kelly.
 
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HankHill said:
He will have UCLA in the playoff within 4 years. I would rather coach and live in LA then Gainesville any day of the week too lol.
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Doubt he ever wins the PAC 12 with USC and Stanford and Washington in the way. If he does, he’s never matched up well with the SEC elite. He doesn’t have Scott Frost to recruit for him anymore and there’s a book written on his offense. NFL DC’s figured it out after a year and SEC DC’s did it before then in high profile matchups. He’ll win 8-10 most seasons at UCLA and they’ll be grateful.
 
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