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[Bassmaster_Vol]

but florida has a basketball player on their shoes and unis what football player could resist that?

Doesn’t help when their coach is a goofball that nobody likes

 

[jakez4ut]

Doesn’t help when their coach is a goofball that nobody likes

but those shoes............:thud:

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I think you'll see quite the opposite. I think this will be a lot of pounding the rock then test the favorable matchups down the field. Run the clock and keep your defense off the field.

As long as our defense can hold teams this will be great. If not, it won’t work. It also assumes we can run the football. Let’s hope we can. Worst in the SEC last year, even with John Kelly

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Guy posted our new QB coach's resume on VQ. These are QB's he has coached. Impressive to say the least. QB's deserve a clean slate imo. Lets see what Helton can do with them.

Joe Webb - averaged 3,500 yards of offense in his 2 years under Helton. Going into his 9th NFL year
Bryan Ellis - Threw for 2,900 yards 25 TDs and 12 Ints in 9 games as a starter. USC's QB coach
Jonathan Perry - Took over for Ellis after injury - 2,300 yards of offense in 9 games
Austin Brown - 2,700 yards passing in 10 games as starter
Brandon Doughty - 4,800 yards and 49 TDs as a junior. 5,000 yards and 48 TDs as a senior
Sam Darnold - 3,000 yards and 31 TDs as a freshman, 4,100 yards 26 TDs as a sophomore. Third overall pick.

 

[Sleegro]

kinda contradictory to Pruitt's overall philosophy of...each offensive possession needs to end in a kick...punt or FG/PAT.

he's going to place a lot of emphasis on ball security, and if either of our QB's doesn't prove they can do that, and be smart in the passing game, it could be pretty conservative.

edit: that doesn't mean we won't go after or make big plays....they're going to try to be balanced.

Did he actually say that or is that an assumption based on him being a Saban guy? I could see him being that way, but I've heard him talk a lot about wanting a big/explosive play offense. I know he wants in to be based on power running but that doesn't necessarily mean conservative. He spent a lot of money on an OC that isn't really known for being conservative in his play calling. And hired a guy in Joe O who ran one of the most explosive offenses in juco. I do think we will be a power running team but I don't expect a big ten style 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Edit: Also, isn't Propst pretty well known as an explosive offense type coach?

 

[InVOLuntary]

As long as our defense can hold teams this will be great. If not, it won’t work. It also assumes we can run the football. Let’s hope we can. Worst in the SEC last year, even with John Kelly

The o line will be much improved. I think it will be a tad boring early on. It may be 3.3 yards and a cloud of dust three times but I expect our time of possession to go up. We can't have penalties that will force our hands. I hope we see a full back in use a lot this year.

 

[jakez4ut]

As long as our defense can hold teams this will be great. If not, it won’t work. It also assumes we can run the football. Let’s hope we can. Worst in the SEC last year, even with John Kelly

the defense won't hold if we're not able to limit their time on the field. in that way, offense can be the best defense.

the rung game last year had a lot more to do with the complete inability to have a passing game, and a bad O line, and a bad play caller and a bad system......as a result, we were consistently putting the defense in bad spots...short possessions, not enough scoring, and too many turnovers.

i digress.

plenty of if's on this front....but.....i am cautiously optimistic about the O line this year....still want to see it, but i feel 'better' about it than i did a couple months ago.

i also think some of the scheme changes up front, and in the offense in general will help generate 1st downs and keep drives going.

improve the TOP, keep the defense fresher, and take advantage of opportunities to score when they present themselves.

 

[jakez4ut]

Did he actually say that or is that an assumption based on him being a Saban guy? I could see him being that way, but I've heard him talk a lot about wanting a big/explosive play offense. I know he wants in to be based on power running but that doesn't necessarily mean conservative. He spent a lot of money on an OC that isn't really known for being conservative in his play calling. And hired a guy in Joe O who ran one of the most explosive offenses in juco. I do think we will be a power running team but I don't expect a big ten style 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

i seem to remember him saying it. don't have a quote though.

i'm not saying he's going to be 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

 

[butchna]

Not to nit pick, but he was 195 when he got to UT and weighed 210-215 when he left (same height). But you’re right he was a lot thicker than people realize, built like a brick house

And hasn’t been a workhorse back. We see him get his first dose with the first four games this season.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

the defense won't hold if we're not able to limit their time on the field. in that way, offense can be the best defense.

the rung game last year had a lot more to do with the complete inability to have a passing game, and a bad O line, and a bad play caller and a bad system......as a result, we were consistently putting the defense in bad spots...short possessions, not enough scoring, and too many turnovers.

i digress.

plenty of if's on this front....but.....i am cautiously optimistic about the O line this year....still want to see it, but i feel 'better' about it than i did a couple months ago.

i also think some of the scheme changes up front, and in the offense in general will help generate 1st downs and keep drives going.

improve the TOP, keep the defense fresher, and take advantage of opportunities to score when they present themselves.

Great post

 

[jakez4ut]

Did he actually say that or is that an assumption based on him being a Saban guy? I could see him being that way, but I've heard him talk a lot about wanting a big/explosive play offense. I know he wants in to be based on power running but that doesn't necessarily mean conservative. He spent a lot of money on an OC that isn't really known for being conservative in his play calling. And hired a guy in Joe O who ran one of the most explosive offenses in juco. I do think we will be a power running team but I don't expect a big ten style 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Edit: Also, isn't Propst pretty well known as an explosive offense type coach?

it may be better stated that in terms of "situational football" offensively, i do expect this staff to be more opportunistic than the last staff.

and if by that definition, we're talking 'more aggressive', i do agree.

4 minute offense, red zone, end of halves, off turnovers/quick change etc...i think this staff will view those situations as those opportunities to take advantage of.

as a general rule though, offensively, you're on your own 25, or worse, starting a drive, the goals will be simple...get as many 1st downs as you can, and make a kick at the end of the possession.:thumbsup:

 

[Sleegro]

i seem to remember him saying it. don't have a quote though.

i'm not saying he's going to be 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I just am following the money here in who he's hired. And he doesn't seem to target conservative qb's in recruiting (Shrout and Maurer both threw a bunch of pics in HS but showed ability to make explosive plays). And I know he has talked about wanting big plays on offense. He's a saban guy so I assumed he was that way too but if you think about it he was a Propst guy first and I'm pretty sure Propst isn't a conservative offense type coach.

 

[HankHill]

I just don't think we have the ability to play conservative and score enough points to win. We need to take some shots imo.

You can still take shots and be really creative while playing ball control to help your defense. Dallas did a fantastic job of that Daks rookie year.

 

[jakez4ut]

I just am following the money here in who he's hired. And he doesn't seem to target conservative qb's in recruiting (Shrout and Maurer both threw a bunch of pics in HS but showed ability to make explosive plays). And I know he has talked about wanting big plays on offense. He's a saban guy so I assumed he was that way too but if you think about it he was a Propst guy first and I'm pretty sure Propst isn't a conservative offense type coach.

i get it. see my post above for maybe a better explanation.

they want to be multiple and balanced. i think the "aggressiveness" will come from opportunities presented to do so.

he's also a defensive guy, so he knows the importance of keeping a defense fresh, and not having to play from behind, and HAVING to be aggressive to stay in a game.

 

[HankHill]

Don’t know if this has been brought up yet. But take that bet.

 

[jakez4ut]

Don’t know if this has been brought up yet. But take that bet.

lol:

yeah, it has.

 

[Sleegro]

it may be better stated that in terms of "situational football" offensively, i do expect this staff to be more opportunistic than the last staff.

and if by that definition, we're talking 'more aggressive', i do agree.

4 minute offense, red zone, end of halves, off turnovers/quick change etc...i think this staff will view those situations as those opportunities to take advantage of.

as a general rule though, offensively, you're on your own 25, or worse, starting a drive, the goals will be simple...get as many 1st downs as you can, and make a kick at the end of the possession.:thumbsup:

I mean I guess every coach would have that philosophy. No coach wants turnovers. But I think we're assuming this will be an overly conservative offense and I really don't think that will be the case. I already mentioned Helton and Joe O not being conservative. Will Friend was the OC at CSU and they had a very explosive offense (11th in the nation last year). David Johnson came from a very explosive offense at Memphis. Hard to tell with Niedermeyer and Weinke but I don't think Weinke won the Heisman being conservative in nature. I'm just saying if you follow the money of who he hired, it doesn't appear he wants a conservative offense.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I would guess a guy like Banks only plays in the 4 games allowed to keep a redshirt. He’s good enough to get some burn but they’d like to get an extra year if possible.

That would be very surprising if their plan was to redshirt Banks. I think it's more likely that he ends up starting after 4 games than redshirting.

 

[etcolton]

Can’t stay out of trouble.. sad

 

[jakez4ut]

I mean I guess every coach would have that philosophy. No coach wants turnovers. But I think we're assuming this will be an overly conservative offense and I really don't think that will be the case. I already mentioned Helton and Joe O not being conservative. Will Friend was the OC at CSU and they had a very explosive offense (11th in the nation last year). David Johnson came from a very explosive offense at Memphis. Hard to tell with Niedermeyer and Weinke but I don't think Weinke won the Heisman being conservative in nature. I'm just saying if you follow the money of who he hired, it doesn't appear he wants a conservative offense.

may just be how one defines aggressive/conservative.
:dunno:
i hear 'aggressive' and i start to think about the 'fun and gun' or 'air raid' type offenses. i don't think it'll be like that. if that's not what you mean, then we're probably on the same page.

i also don't think this will be a two TE, 1 WR, FB, TB set type offense either.

and we really don't know how either QB is really gonna be yet, and that will determine a lot.

i do think this offense is going to have to be productive in the passing game to ultimately do what it wants to do.

 

[Kingston Vol]

That would be very surprising if their plan was to redshirt Banks. I think it's more likely that he ends up starting after 4 games than redshirting.

Maybe so. But to me the best way to proceed would be to ride the other guys as long as they can. If it isn’t working then try Banks, but otherwise try to save him.

It may not matter. If he’s clearly better than those other guys then you have to put him out there. But if he’s 3rd on the depth chart (as I believe he probably is) then maybe you try to save him.

 

[HankHill]

lol:

yeah, it has.

I figured. Haven’t been keeping up lately.

 

[jakez4ut]

I figured. Haven’t been keeping up lately.

well, you didn't miss anything...so you got that going for ya.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

That happens with divisions. Did the 2 best teams play in the SEC championship game last year? Was Florida the second best team in the SEC in '15 and '16? In 2008 when the big 12 actually had 12 teams and 2 divisions, there was a 3 way tie where a division champ was decided by the AP poll or something stupid. Texas only loss was to Tech (on that late Crabtree TD) whose only loss was to Oklahoma whose only loss was to Texas. They were all in the same division. The late 90's when the 2 best teams in the SEC were Florida and Tennessee but they couldn't play each other in the championship because they were in the same division.

I would argue that you are more likely to get the 2 best teams in the championship game if you eliminate the divisions.

We could just kick Missouri and A&M back to big 12 and then play an 11 game SEC schedule. Everyone plays everyone and the two best play for it all.

Having all in one division but still playing different opponents still doesn’t work.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Maybe so. But to me the best way to proceed would be to ride the other guys as long as they can. If it isn’t working then try Banks, but otherwise try to save him.

It may not matter. If he’s clearly better than those other guys then you have to put him out there. But if he’s 3rd on the depth chart (as I believe he probably is) then maybe you try to save him.

Pruitt seems to have the win now mindset. If I had to guess he's not thinking about redshirting guys who can contribute. RB by committee is likely what we see this fall. Pruitt's going to need 4+ RB's to get through the season.