Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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He’s an overrated recruiter and seems to be living off two wins vs. Alabama in our fans’ minds. However, this place was universally against hiring Kevin Sumlin although he had the same credentials.
What other coaches could Pruitt hire that beat Alabama twice? Are there any active SEC coaches that have even beat Bama twice? And honestly, I don't give a damn about his recruiting, which is good btw. But he's a proven play caller and winner in the SEC. BRING HIM HOME!
 
Kind of surprised by that. He got better every year at Ole miss. Players love him. He had one bad year.
I honestly believe he ruined everything he built up. His entire schtick was being the super religious guy in front of parents and the media and being the dirtiest player in the game when their kids were on campus alone.

And we all (rightly) hated him for it and talked about how fake he was and how we’d never stoop that low.
 
What other coaches could Pruitt hire that beat Alabama twice? Are there any active SEC coaches that have even beat Bama twice? And honestly, I don't give a damn about his recruiting, which is good btw. But he's a proven play caller and winner in the SEC. BRING HIM HOME!
He is the best option for sure. But Lewis makes a good point, what are you going to say to momma in the living room when she asks about Freeze’s past? You know Smart and others will be using that ad nauseum to recruit against us
 
What other coaches could Pruitt hire that beat Alabama twice? Are there any active SEC coaches that have even beat Bama twice? And honestly, I don't give a damn about his recruiting, which is good btw. But he's a proven play caller and winner in the SEC. BRING HIM HOME!
What other coaches could Pruitt hire that beat Alabama twice? Are there any active SEC coaches that have even beat Bama twice? And honestly, I don't give a damn about his recruiting, which is good btw. But he's a proven play caller and winner in the SEC. BRING HIM HOME!
I guess I’d rather beat Alabama with someone else calling plays.
 
I honestly believe he ruined everything he built up. His entire schtick was being the super religious guy in front of parents and the media and being the dirtiest player in the game when their kids were on campus alone.

And we all (rightly) hated him for it and talked about how fake he was and how we’d never stoop that low.

That’s fair but Pruitt has had his share of bad reputation stuff. Granted not like freeze but we all got behind kiffin, some even wanted him for HC again. It’s a lot different when someone is yours instead of when you’re going against them.
 
He is the best option for sure. But Lewis makes a good point, what are you going to say to momma in the living room when she asks about Freeze’s past? You know Smart and others will be using that ad nauseum to recruit against us
Jesus forgives and he's asked for forgiveness. TBH, I don't give a damn what they say but those guys are good at the croootin thing, they'll figure it out. He's a coordinator, not a HC, or position coach. OC's and DC's don't go all Nied's all over the country crootin, Bass. They gameplan and call plays mostly. He's really good at that.
 
Don't forget, Freeze had Ole Miss ranked as number 3 in the country at one point in 2015. ESPN had them ranked number 1 in FPI. When is the last time we sniffed the top 5? If dancing with the devil gets us back to that level, I'm all for it.
 
Jesus forgives and he's asked for forgiveness. TBH, I don't give a damn what they say but those guys are good at the croootin thing, they'll figure it out. He's a coordinator, not a HC, or position coach. OC's and DC's don't go all Nied's all over the country crootin, Bass. They gameplan and call plays mostly. He's really good at that.
True. He’s clearly the best option for offensive coordinator and it’s not close. He knows how to attack the Bama defense. And guess what, UGA and S.C. run that same defense. He’d be fantastic for sure
 
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What other coaches could Pruitt hire that beat Alabama twice? Are there any active SEC coaches that have even beat Bama twice? And honestly, I don't give a damn about his recruiting, which is good btw. But he's a proven play caller and winner in the SEC. BRING HIM HOME!

Malzan I think
 
That’s fair but Pruitt has had his share of bad reputation stuff. Granted not like freeze but we all got behind kiffin, some even wanted him for HC again. It’s a lot different when someone is yours instead of when you’re going against them.

Which is a reason not to bring a guy like Hugh around right now. We don’t need the extra eyes in Knoxville imo
 
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His recruiting was overrated - or inflated - by his being given the green light to do “whatever it takes” by Ole Miss’ administration and their boosters.

He would not be given the green light here.

I’m not saying it makes him a *bad* candidate. But, to me, it levels the playing field when you compare him with other candidates.

And to be quite honest I don’t think he *helps* Tennessee when he would have to go into a recruits living room and explain why he was buying hookers for recruits.
yeah, i keep going back and forth.

i think the thing with FReeze is the fact people get enamoured with the name, and what hte potentail reaction, positively, would be for getting a big name like that.

but it comes with some baggage. and you have to wonder how the egos get managed....i don't think pruitt wants/needs/is necessarily a micro manager, but he has a certain way he wants things done. Freeze has run a program before. that dynamic can either work really , really well, or it can be recipie for a disaster. no way to know which way it goes, my gut says, Freeze has probabl been humbled quite a bit, and likely understands what he would have to do in order to truly be considered for another HC gig at some point in the future.

which leads me to my next issue...and i'm not saying this is or should be the thing that drives the decision, but it has to be considered, but what kind of life expectancy do we want/expect out of an OC? ideally, we want all of our coaches to do well enough that they are sought after and promotable.

but we don't want that to happen every year, do we? unfortunately, we are just at a point in this program's history, where some semblence of continuity and consistencey are needed. i think we have more resources devoted to our staff now than we ever have, and if after 3 or 4 years, we start to see that positive attrition you want to see, then you may be in a positon to have developed staff members where you can promote from with in, and hire from outside when opportunities present.

we're not there yet. so a guy like Lindsey or Enos maybe makes sense moreseo than Freeze, just from that angle alone? then you have guys like Weinke, Osovet and others that in a year or two are in line for those next round of opportunities ont he staff......
probably putting to much in to this train of thought at this point. but i think if you were going to draw it up, that's the model you'd like to build.

all that to say, i don't know who would be the best candidate, there's a lot of considerations to make. first and foremost, does it make us better?
 
I support a post a day or two ago that mentioned Bruce Pearl and how Auburn gets to continue to employ him even after a show cause and FBI investigation.

I have come to realize that unless you just can't get along or commit crimes or something, then the high level sports teams will continue to hire/employ good coaches with baggage. Tired of seeing Bruce Pearl, Bill Self, Jim Boeheim, Shawn Miller, Urban Meyer, and Bobby Petrino having success after scandals that involved NCAA violations or even crimes. Heck, even Kelvin Sampson and Quin Snyder found employment again.

Let's go win.
 
He is the best option for sure. But Lewis makes a good point, what are you going to say to momma in the living room when she asks about Freeze’s past? You know Smart and others will be using that ad nauseum to recruit against us

Freeze is going to help little Jimmy win a national championship so he can make huge amounts of money in the NFL.
 
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