Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[JCP201]

Woah..

I didn't know he was linked to that. He didn't say a word about it? ugh.

 

[JCP201]

The Fulmer Cup is no more yall. Bama and UGA are rising up to take over.

I can't believe there wasn't an Urban Meyers Gator cup.

 

[UTProf]

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Carter wasn't/hasn't/can't be charged with DWI or DUI and that's why the warrant is only for reckless driving and racing. Neither are anywhere near the charges Little actually did get charged with before he worked a plea.

Let me make it plain: If Carter was racing he is responsible for their deaths. That is manslaughter. The exact same crime as Little. The reason being - no race = no 100 mph speeds and likely no deaths.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Yes, alcohol consumption by the driver that was killed. The passenger that died was also in that car. Carter drove a separate vehicle and the article stated the officer investigating said he did not appear to have been drinking. Gigger pointed out it was two hours later so he could have had time to sober up.

roger that

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Let me make it plain: If Carter was racing he is responsible for their deaths. That is manslaughter. The exact same crime as Little. The reason being - no race = no 100 mph speeds and likely no deaths.

He hasn't been charged with manslaughter though...and based on Georgia laws neither of his charges the actual warrant has are felonies.

From a criminal case standpoint Carter will very likely never go to court and will have his case resolved in a few months.

 

[GiggerVol]

I can't believe there wasn't an Urban Meyers Gator cup.

I think since Urban was at Florida the cup should be named The Urban Bowl Cut Little Nicky Cup

 

[UTProf]

He hasn't been charged with manslaughter though...and based on Georgia laws neither of his charges the actual warrant has are felonies.

From a criminal case standpoint Carter will very likely never go to court and will have his case resolved in a few months.

The DA will likely determine if that sort of charge is warranted when more evidence is gathered (they could always pull an Alabama and ignore it but it's not uncommon for a charge like that to come a little later) but if the traffic cams show racing he's responsible and it's a pretty simple case with speeds being verified at the accident scene. Even if he gets out of the criminal cases unscathed he will likely owe the families of the victims if they sue because it would be an easy civil case.

 

[butchna]

Racing? While under the influence? Leading to two fatalities?

And leaving the scene is what will do him in? Obstructing?

I would saythe subsequent 2 vehicular homicide charges would be his biggest concerns. If they arent, they should be.

Any good faith his celebrity enjoyed is now kaput by his lying. He will see the full 30 years.

Not while lawyers exist. His culpability in actually CAUSING the accident is rife with reasonable doubt and as sorry as it was fleeing the scene, it removed alcohol as a contributing factor on his part. Prosecutors don’t like to go to court without it being a slam dunk. As presently constituted, this case is not. I see a pleading to some form of negligence. Now the inevitable civil litigation is no holds barred. He’s alive and will have NFL millions.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The DA will likely determine if that sort of charge is warranted when more evidence is gathered (they could always pull an Alabama and ignore it but it's not uncommon for a charge like that to come a little later) but if the traffic cams show racing he's responsible and it's a pretty simple case with speeds being verified at the accident scene. Even if he gets out of the criminal cases unscathed he will likely owe the families of the victims if they sue because it would be an easy civil case.

Civil and Criminal are two different cases though. I think Carter's potential obstruction is the bigger concern in the case (criminally at least). Had he simply not returned to the scene OR had he lawyered up before talking to police he likely wouldn't have any warrant or charges at this point.

Still don't think they have anything to verify speeds of Carter's vehicle. They have some security footage, but it's the same debate you can make with stoplight cameras... can you prove who was driving the vehicle?

I'll put it plain I don't think Jalen Carter sees any jail time or goes to trial (in a criminal case) over this accident.

 

[therickbol]

Frustrates me to no end that Banks won't even take ownership or accountability for his actions that lead to him not playing.

We'll likely never get the full truth, but based on the young man's history and the fact he's going to leave without a degree as a RS-Senior I think it's pretty obvious he didn't handle his off the field business appropriately.

I think it is a little concerning that he is not smart enough to at least fake that accountability. He thinks he is painting himself in a better light to the GM's by making excuse and blaming UT coaches. That will almost certainly have the opposite effect. GM's will move him down their draftboard instead of up.

 

[butchna]

Yeah. A number of so-called experts were also projecting him to go to the Cardinals at #3 overall. Of course, the Cardinals draft guys like this BEFORE these types of stories surface.

Anderson won’t get past them. If the Bears trade down twice with first Houston then Indy, Tyree Wilson should be next man up. Now that opens up the possibility Bears could trade down even more. Maybe ends up being best. We need a lot! Give me Skoronski or Paris Johnson and selecting Tuli Tuipulotu in the second is a helluva start.

 

[JacketVol]

UT was hit harder than expected. They did not expect a failure to monitor, which hits the school not former employees fired for cause. Negotiating to get rid of the failure to monitor means taking hits elsewhere. Clearly, UT does not want a postseason ban now, though they considered self-imposing it when the team was at a far different place. The NCAA sees that as a way to send a meaningful message, so taking the harsher penalties off the table will come at a price.

Trusting the NCAA is inviting the entire fox family into the henhouse. Once they're there, try getting rid of them without unwanted damage.

And I was wrong about Donte. No I wasn’t. She handled this poorly.

 

[VolGee4]

Let me make it plain: If Carter was racing he is responsible for their deaths. That is manslaughter. The exact same crime as Little. The reason being - no race = no 100 mph speeds and likely no deaths.

The female driver who also died had a .197 BAC. So, your last statement is not quite correct.

The Little case and this case are certainly distinguishable, especially involving legal issues.

 

[drvenner]

Let me make it plain: If Carter was racing he is responsible for their deaths. That is manslaughter. The exact same crime as Little. The reason being - no race = no 100 mph speeds and likely no deaths.

That is not manslaughter, IMO. He can be charged with what he has to this point. AFAIK, he has not been charged with DUI or DWI. He has been charged with reckless driving and racing. He was not in the accident. If it could somehow be proven he forced them off the road or something like that, then probably could be charged.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

That is not manslaughter, IMO. He can be charged with what he has to this point. AFAIK, he has not been charged with DUI or DWI. He has been charged with reckless driving and racing. He was not in the accident. If it could somehow be proven he forced them off the road or something like that, then probably could be charged.

I think if that was the case they would have hit him with leaving the scene of a crime.

It's also been nearly 2 months since this all happened and those are the only charges the DA felt they could bring against Carter in their 2 months of investigating. It however will open a big door for the families of the deceased to come after him in civil court (probably shortly AFTER he is drafted and signs his contract).

 

[LA Vol]

Jamon Dumas-Johnson was arrested for reckless driving and racing a week prior and was onsite at the crash. He also left the scene before police arrived, without reporting the accident.

This was Carter's second arrest for speeding/reckless driving in just a few months.

Dealerships are probably rethinking those NIL deals with UGA players.

Meanwhile, MB of Knoxville is thinking, "we chose well."

 

[JacketVol]

I think anybody who actually believes it wouldn’t have been MUCH more severe if we hadn’t complied, hasn’t been paying attention. What they didn’t find would have been mitigated by what they amplified on their own.

Donte lover. She’s actually done a good job but screwed this up.

 

[JacketVol]

It’s ludicrous!! And on top of all of that, we fired the ENTIRE STAFF, got the AD responsible for it to “retire”, and told players involved in it that they had to transfer out. We have completely new leadership, new HC and staff, and new players. My word!! What more do you want on top of all the self-imposed sanctions?! We have more than bent over. I hope Randy, Donde, and Danny stand strong that we have done more than enough to pay the penalties for prior administration’s stupidness.

Time to Sue them to oblivion

 

[volbeast33]

The DA will likely determine if that sort of charge is warranted when more evidence is gathered (they could always pull an Alabama and ignore it but it's not uncommon for a charge like that to come a little later) but if the traffic cams show racing he's responsible and it's a pretty simple case with speeds being verified at the accident scene. Even if he gets out of the criminal cases unscathed he will likely owe the families of the victims if they sue because it would be an easy civil case.

It’s so silly that we allow family members to sue someone else when the people responsible are the ones that died…. They chose to drive drunk and race.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

If they got in the car knowing she had been drinking, which obviously they did, does that not make them de facto accessories?

Maybe they were taking the chance that she was least drunk. I've had friends play that game multiple times.

 

[Vol423]

Frustrates me to no end that Banks won't even take ownership or accountability for his actions that lead to him not playing.

We'll likely never get the full truth, but based on the young man's history and the fact he's going to leave without a degree as a RS-Senior I think it's pretty obvious he didn't handle his off the field business appropriately.

It was a really poor decision for him to have not taken accountability and simply owned up to his mistakes at the combine. NFL teams will find out what really happened, and they won't look favorably on him not taking accountability.

 

[Vol423]

Will Levis is the choice, imo

For the Bears? NO chance. They are going to trade out of the #1 spot though.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

The NCAA has absolutely nothing to do with this issue.

Lack of institutional control?
Improper benefits?

Come on, gotta work with me here. Time for the ncaa to investigate the real corruption…

 

[SoilVol]

Woah..

This whole ordeal is a nightmare (or should be) for Georgia. Not just the tragedy and loss of life, but serious organizational failings that led to this.

The SUV was a football team vehicle, not a personal vehicle. The staffer was supposed to be a responsible member of the team escorting players home. She was driving 104+ MPH and intoxicated (2x legal limit). Racing Carter, as evidenced by cameras in town, and Carter gave conflicting reports at the scene (he initially left the scene then returned saying he heard it from a distance).

If she was intoxicated leaving their championship celebration, that means Georgia provided the alcohol to the team and staff at the event. Then allowed intoxicated athletes and staff to drive university vehicles and personal vehicles home. They enabled this situation.