Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[volbeast33]

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That is incorrect….. that will turn into anniversaries and birthdays during football season.

 

[RudyVol]

Pittman was on a podcast talking about their injuries last year. He said they didn’t hit a lot in Spring/Fall practice because they were worried about depth. Then the season starts and players were going down left and right. That was Butch.

Not sure there's an exact formula for preventing injuries but I do know whatever Butch Jones was doing was beyond coincidence. Something he or the S/C coach were doing was evidently wrong.

 

[Vol423]

Would have been nice to keep Tayven.

I don't think he would have ever seen a meaningful live snap at UT. He's better off elsewhere.

 

[KPT_VFL]

I don't think he would have ever seen a meaningful live snap at UT. He's better off elsewhere.

Most teams have more than 2 scholarship QB. Gaston may have one now I’m not sure but he didn’t when he came to UT. Just saying feels like at least one class we should sign two or just bring in a true depth guy even if they don’t play.

 

[Batman1948]

Organizations, colleges, and businesses do that all the time. What these states are trying to do is say you can't enforce the rules here. They're trying to cheat. The NCAA should tell them fine - no NCAA events for you then. That's what would happen in anything else.

That's ultimately what will happen if it gets that far

 

[Glitch]

@Sally is actually working on a machine that can reverse jinxes and save me a fortune in Coke.

 

[Batman1948]

I think that's a change that can benefit us because we run plays faster while hurting those who are slower. If left in place it will probably speed up the game but the real change they need is fewer commercials. Overall though, I don't like that change at all. Didn't they do it once before? I like the chess match of time. It adds to the excitement of the game.

TV revenue is too important to the conferences. I would like to see fewer commercials but that ain't gonna happen-----bills have to be paid.

 

[Orange.]

I don't think you'll ever have that without a level of transparency that no one wants to give us.

Schools don't want every bit of their laundry aired and compared. I think there's a lot of cases the NCAA has no real power over what took place - the UNC cheating scandal for example - the only solution there was for the academic governing body to threaten accreditation but the NCAA has no real power over that because universities can and do retain all power over academics. It's hard to tell the difference between a paper class and independent study but that's something their accreditors not the NCAA should've looked at and the thought of losing accreditation is so horrifying to a school that I gaurantee you know governing body formed from universities to oversee sports is gonna have that body touch anything related to accreditation because that doens't end football or basketball that ends your university - period (at least potentially).

What happened at Penn State is another example - the NCAA was able to hit PSU hard because PSU offered themselves up to those punishment. Later, after the immediate embarrassment had gone away PSU asked for and got some reductions. But the entire tragedy of Penn State never had much at all to do with anything NCAA related - players weren't being enticed with illegal benefits, recruiting rules, weren't being broken - instead it was horrifying crime and the scandal (and crime) of adults doing nothing when they suspected abuse.

Other cases like ours that got everyone pissed are standard NCAA cases. Mizzou is pissed because they got hammered over a cheating scandal while we didn't get a bowl ban but what happened at each school and what each school did about it are completely different things. We were also under different eras of enforcement.

So even if we did get full transparency, the cases don't line up. People want to make these comparisons but I don't think things are quite as random as the general public percieves. You could probably go back and form a timeline of cases under specific eras of rules and find patterns. I'd be surprised if commitee X treated offenders that differently throughout their own era/enforcement period. But the commitee headed by Y and under that era of enforcement and rules may well have treated offenders very differently than X but consistent within their own era of enforcement.

Letting UNC get away with cheating is a prime example of the NCAA playing favorites and why they can never again be trusted. They were handing out class credits to basketball players who didn't even attend zooms or do work. It was flagrant. Yet UNC is a cheat-with-impunity school in basketball, so the NCAA said, well if at least one one-basketball players was given fake credits too, then there is nothing we can do about known massive cheating at UNC basketball!

That is total BS. They could have hammered UNC.

And what you mention about academic credentialing is another case in point. Credentialing should have hammered UNC when UNC avoided the (wishing-to-be-avoided) NCAA -- by means of saying that since UNC has fake classes open to all students, it is not a basketball issue. They could tell the difference between a fake class and real class. It wasn't some bit about independent study. It involved free As with no work or even showing for class. The credentialing people shirked their responsibility. The academic accreditation bureaucrats wanted to dodge a hot potato and to suck up to UNC. The whole thing was disgusting, and a clear reason to end the NCAA. And I think academic creditialicng was shown to be a farce, into the bargain.

I think, for good measure, if heads didn't roll at academic accreditation (I mean whole firings and bans on the member schools they represent), then that is an equal problem. If UNC had been some little school that was ok or even fashionable to look down upon, the academics would have pounced. I would bet the people holding the fake classes are still at UNC. All UNC's academic talk is fake imo until they settle this mess satisfactorily. The academics at UNC basically announced to the world that UNC is just a "sports school" and their academics are as shoddy as their basketball team and the complicit NCAA wants them to be.

On the subject of basketball, you do realize the Kansas should have been on probation and forfeited their recent basketbal title, don't you? But they are a big money maker for the NCAA and the basketball tournament is the NCAA's biggest pork pie, so the NCAA just refused to apply their rules.

The NCAA is a criminal organization. They make their money off of the events that they rig by means of enforcement favorites, to best of their ability.

 

[Glitch]

Both games had terrible weather, that NW OSU game had 50MPH winds or more. Can’t remember if it snowed or not as well but possible. Tennessee Vanderbilt game conditions weren’t too much better either. Both set up for old fashioned football

Which we politely obliged...

 

[Glitch]

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What site is that on?

 

[pierce60]

The Volquest guys made a great point on yesterday’s podcast….we’ve not heard anything from the S/C coach for multiple years!

There was a stretch when seemingly every 6 months a new coach was on board trying the newest thing….but it’s been crickets since Heupel came along with his guy. And I don’t remember him being super celebrated when hired, much like Heupel.

 

[Glitch]

They are making laws so that the rules break them.

Cause the rules are stoopid and negatively impact the players ability to peddle their NIL.

 

[volbeast33]

From one of our foster kids….it’s been a blessing so far.

 

[Playdo]

 

[Orange.]

I think the dam has been chipped away at for 100 years and is finally leaking but I don't think people ever had that much respect for the NCAA. It's like loving the IRS - just not gonna happen.

The real change though happened because of ESPN. They and the broader sports media started parroting agents arguments over NCAA arguments and that turned public perception. And so now we serve the interests of agents and even of broadcasters who all benefit from a less regulated system.

No, the real issue is the NCAA is crooked.

And, no, your boi Sabey was leading the charge. Because we wants a new version of the ancien regime and a bunch of fake moralizing talk for the gullible to help him accomplish his con job.

And the greater issue you are dodging, if you want to think about it comprehensively, is that there is no possible body that could be trusted to enforce rules equitably. None. It's fairy land you're playing when you dream up new rules and orders. By a mental slight of hand, you proceed as if the rules applied themselves equitably all by themselves.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Not a huge fan of Mullen, never have been but he’s a solid football coach. Not a relentless recruiter whatsoever and that was his downfall at Florida. But looking at potential job openings I don’t think anywhere fits the guy better than West Virginia. He’d have them 8+ wins again and potentially in a major bowl here and there. The area fits his personality and the job isn’t an elite level position but a step above Miss State. Plus I think he’s from Pennsylvania anyway so it all matches up

Meh..

 

[Glitch]

View attachment 567573From one of our foster kids….it’s been a blessing so far.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That would be The Villages in Florida…gross.

Otherwise known as the nasty pervert swinger capital of the world

 

[highspeed]

I think so. Much later, it was where they made Zima. Anyone ever drink Zima?

First time I ever got drunk. I was 16. Never touched it again.

 

[Orange.]

 

[SweetasSoda]

View attachment 567573From one of our foster kids….it’s been a blessing so far.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Would have been nice to keep Tayven.

Gaston Moore waaay better

 

[Volsdeep4]

Name me a college team that wouldn't be in trouble if they are forced to play the #3 QB on their depth chart. Hell, for that matter, you can even include NFL teams in your answer.

We’d win a natty if we were had to have Gaston come in.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Letting UNC get away with cheating is a prime example of the NCAA playing favorites and why they can never again be trusted. They were handing out class credits to basketball players who didn't even attend zooms or do work. It was flagrant. Yet UNC is a cheat-with-impunity school in basketball, so the NCAA said, well if at least one one-basketball players was given fake credits too, then there is nothing we can do about known massive cheating at UNC basketball!

That is total BS. They could have hammered UNC.

And what you mention about academic credentialing is another case in point. Credentialing should have hammered UNC when UNC avoided the (wishing-to-be-avoided) NCAA -- by means of saying that since UNC has fake classes open to all students, it is not a basketball issue. They could tell the difference between a fake class and real class. It wasn't some bit about independent study. It involved free As with no work or even showing for class. The credentialing people shirked their responsibility. The academic accreditation bureaucrats wanted to dodge a hot potato and to suck up to UNC. The whole thing was disgusting, and a clear reason to end the NCAA. And I think academic creditialicng was shown to be a farce, into the bargain.

I think, for good measure, if heads didn't roll at academic accreditation (I mean whole firings and bans on the member schools they represent), then that is an equal problem. If UNC had been some little school that was ok or even fashionable to look down upon, the academics would have pounced. I would bet the people holding the fake classes are still at UNC. All UNC's academic talk is fake imo until they settle this mess satisfactorily. The academics at UNC basically announced to the world that UNC is just a "sports school" and their academics are as shoddy as their basketball team and the complicit NCAA wants them to be.

On the subject of basketball, you do realize the Kansas should have been on probation and forfeited their recent basketbal title, don't you? But they are a big money maker for the NCAA and the basketball tournament is the NCAA's biggest pork pie, so the NCAA just refused to apply their rules.

The NCAA is a criminal organization. They make their money off of the events that they rig by means of enforcement favorites, to best of their ability.

The UNC thing really was the NCAA’s “emperor has no clothes” moment for the public at large. They’ve been almost universally viewed as a joke since then.

 

[MarcoVol]

5 - 4 team pods. Play your pod and 2 others every year for an 11 game conference schedule. Play 1 cupcake out of conference a year. That means everyone has to play every team at least once every other year. That allows for equality in scheduling. Over 20, and I have no idea, unless the entire schedule is conference games.

Or in other words, 5 divisions vs current format of 2 divisions.