Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Big Orange#1]

Did the real reason that Banks didn’t play against usce ever come out? I found out from a player today

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[Devo182]

Saw the Black Sabbath reunion at Ozzfest in '98...also went in '99.

Tell us some stories. How was the crowd? The shows and environment? Must have seen some crazy stuff at those shows...

 

[ReadCT]

Now there's unique and fun culture, why people keep going back to that time in music.

Know when festivals died off? The 80s through late 90s.

The 15 consecutive New Orleans Jazz Fest commemorative posters that I collected in person--and only interrupted by covid--say different

 

[SugarCC]

80k+ festivals are a dozen a year now.

Yes they had a couple during the down cultural years, but nowhere near the volume or global impact of the ones before and after. Few and far between. More one-offs than part of the regular culture.

Warped Tour, Ozzfest and on I already agree with. The late (mid somewhat?) 90s did kick things back into gear, in a big way!

You keep saying "down cultural years"...I'd much rather had been at Live Aid or Farm Aid than Altamont, culturally speaking.

Also, outside of Woodstock, unless one is a music buff, no one can name another music fest from the 60s and 70s. My point, people still talk about Live Aid and Farm Aid the same as Woodstock; while, no, neither was Woodstock, they were still cultural PHENOMENONS.

And, yes, 80k+ fests are all over the place now...the 90's gave birth to all of that exploding in the early 2000s. As i said, Lollapalooza, one of the best and biggest fests in the world, born in 1991...the "culture" born in 1991; however, with that said, the culture, the atmosphere, the vibes, the moment...Lollapalooza was A LOT better back then, than it is today...ive been to it in all decades of it's existence, saying, I believe I have a bit of solid ground on which to speak of it. Same goes for Bonnaroo; culture wise, way better in the beginning years, and it's not even close. Also, they tried for years in the 90s to do it, it just never happened; only after Widespread Panic blew up, were they able to pull it off. So on and so forth...

If we're just talking music, yes, the music was better in the 60s and 70s, and the culture had more impact; we're in total agreement on that...there's NEVER going to be another Beatles or Zeppelin or Who or Bowie or just pick one; but, to say no or low culture with 80s and 90s music, and the cool fests and traveling tours it produced, is just incredibly wrong.

 

[VolNash17]

It’s a sign….

 

[Devo182]

The 15 consecutive New Orleans Jazz Fest commemorative posters that I collected in person--and only interrupted by covid--say different

Nice! Have always wanted to go.

But that actually began in the early 70s. And still today. The "dead era" merely didn't kill it - round of applause I suppose during the big hair and tight pants era didn't kill a Jazz festival, and that was a success in itself

 

[Orangeburst]

Just a pigeon…….

i saw Randy Rhodes in Bham one week before his death. Beer sold on floor. It was about 25% black audience which was surprising

 

[ACvol3]

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So banks was missing practices and whatnot.. bad attitude.. same for juju. Banks had a bad attitude in the building and tried to fight other players all the time for little to no reason. Before the usce game, Hendon said something to banks and banks immediately tried to fight him. Milton stepped in to take up for Hendon. Banks finally got in trouble for being a punk.

 

[ACvol3]

Apparently coach BJ and the other players are a lot happier with this years LB room.

 

[Devo182]

Apparently coach BJ and the other players are a lot happier with this years LB room.

Put that together with an improved secondary...I'm excited.

 

[ReadCT]

The 15 consecutive New Orleans Jazz Fest commemorative posters that I collected in person--and only interrupted by covid--say different

@Devo182

I hope this note did not come off as smarmy in my reponse; not my intent

Perhaps I should have said that if you are selective about the festivals you attend, there are still some great communal gatherings that celebrate amazing music

Jazz Fest is my absolute favorite

But I also have a clinging-to-my-quickly-evaporating-youth weak spot EDM festivals... and for that Electric Forest in MI and Sonic Bloom in CO are amazing

I live in Denver and attend a show per month at Red Rocks whether I know the band or not. The community and the venue are worth the price of admission

 

[UTProf]

You keep saying "down cultural years"...I'd much rather had been at Live Aid or Farm Aid than Altamont, culturally speaking.

Also, outside of Woodstock, unless one is a music buff, no one can name another music fest from the 60s and 70s. My point, people still talk about Live Aid and Farm Aid the same as Woodstock; while, no, neither was Woodstock, they were still cultural PHENOMENONS.

And, yes, 80k+ fests are all over the place now...the 90's gave birth to all of that exploding in the early 2000s. As i said, Lollapalooza, one of the best and biggest fests in the world, born in 1991...the "culture" born in 1991; however, with that said, the culture, the atmosphere, the vibes, the moment...Lollapalooza was A LOT better back then, than it is today...ive been to it in all decades of it's existence, saying, I believe I have a bit of solid ground on which to speak of it. Same goes for Bonnaroo; culture wise, way better in the beginning years, and it's not even close. Also, they tried for years in the 90s to do it, it just never happened; only after Widespread Panic blew up, were they able to pull it off. So on and so forth...

If we're just talking music, yes, the music was better in the 60s and 70s, and the culture had more impact; we're in total agreement on that...there's NEVER going to be another Beatles or Zeppelin or Who or Bowie or just pick one; but, to say no or low culture with 80s and 90s music, and the cool fests and traveling tours it produced, is just incredibly wrong.

Monterey Pop Festival - Janis Joplin set the world on fire with "Ball and Chain." That festival was far more important/influential than Woodstock.

 

[JCVol00]

So banks was missing practices and whatnot.. bad attitude.. same for juju. Banks had a bad attitude in the building and tried to fight other players all the time for little to no reason. Before the usce game, Hendon said something to banks and banks immediately tried to fight him. Milton stepped in to take up for Hendon. Banks finally got in trouble for being a punk.

Makes sense, this pretty much pieces together everything that has hinted about the situation, probably the thing Hooker said to Banks was about stepping on the T

 

[ACvol3]

Makes sense, this pretty much pieces together everything that has hinted about the situation, probably the thing Hooker said to Banks was about stepping on the T

I could ask what it was about, or what was said, but I guess that was the important stuff

 

[SugarCC]

Tell us some stories. How was the crowd? The shows and environment? Must have seen some crazy stuff at those shows...

First off, I got my years mixed up, I went to Ozzfest in '99 and 2000. Sabbath got back together in 98 for UK Ozzfest, played the states in 99. They were awesome, just the "legends" of it all, along with the music; but the best show that year was Primus, as they always are, no matter who else is playing. Slipknot played the smaller stage, if I remember correctly, and they were mindblowing, and absolutely crazy! Deftones killed it, too, of course.

The best show in 2000 was Incubus...they completely burnt the whole festival down, they were badass. Queens Of The Stone Age, badfckingass, as always. Ozzy solo was good, Pantera was amazing. I remember the lead singer from Godsmack getting pissed because the crowd was not going crazy enough for his liking, all the while fires were burning in the grass at Starwood, and people losing their minds in the pit. I guess he wanted murder.

I also remember Kittie. All-girl band, and they killed!!!

They also had a very cool "Shakedown Street" area, if you know what Shakeeown is. Merch, carnival, tattoo parlors, goth dancers, magicians, fire eaters...on drugs, it was A LOT!

The one thing I remember most though about 2000, thru all of that haze, is the Godsmack singer getting PISSED. Strange, that being rhe most vivid memory.

But, one of the coolest stories I have, Devo..I can't remember what year it was, 2006, maybe, somewhere around that time...idk if you've ever heard of Secret Machines? One of my favorite bands around that time...they played City Hall, in The Gulch, one night. My friends and I were there. The next night was Halloween, and they were playing in Atlanta. After the show in Nashville, me and my friends were hanging out, as the crowd was thinning, and got their autographs on our posters. We were chatting them up, and told them we were thinking of driving down for the Atlanta show.The band got our names, and told us we would have free tix and backstage passes waiting on us. So, that next morning we headed out from Murfreesboro, all the while saying, "These tix won't be there, they probably forgot", fully expecting to have to pay. We got there, and both the tix and passes were waiting for us. Awesome, right! But, here's where it gets REALLY ****** AWESOME...after the show, we were hanging out with them backstage, and caught wind that Beck was playing a secret show upstairs in the same venue, on Halloween night! Brandon, their lead singer and keyboardist, asked if we wanted to go see Beck upstairs...are you kidding me, yeah!!! So, Halloween, 2006 or 7??, I saw one of my favorite bands in the world, then saw one of my favorite artists of all time, WITH said favorite band. All for free. I didn't meet Beck that night; BUT, I did meet him one night in Sambuca, after his show at City Hall, in Nashville.

 

[SugarCC]

Monterey Pop Festival - Janis Joplin set the world on fire with "Ball and Chain." That festival was far more important/influential than Woodstock.

It was HUGE!
Yet, outside of music buffs and lovers, nine out of ten people have heard of Woodstock, and have NEVER heard of Monterey.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

So banks was missing practices and whatnot.. bad attitude.. same for juju. Banks had a bad attitude in the building and tried to fight other players all the time for little to no reason. Before the usce game, Hendon said something to banks and banks immediately tried to fight him. Milton stepped in to take up for Hendon. Banks finally got in trouble for being a punk.

I’m sorry, who’s juju?

 

[volinokc]

So banks was missing practices and whatnot.. bad attitude.. same for juju. Banks had a bad attitude in the building and tried to fight other players all the time for little to no reason. Before the usce game, Hendon said something to banks and banks immediately tried to fight him. Milton stepped in to take up for Hendon. Banks finally got in trouble for being a punk.

This has been rumored since it happened, and it’s good if it starts coming out as truth.
I’ll take this from it: I respect the hell out of our coaching staff and leaders.
They knew what drawing that line meant.

 

[UTProf]

It was HUGE!
Yet, outside of music buffs and lovers, nine out of ten people have heard of Woodstock, and have NEVER heard of Monterey.

Janis, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Otis Redding - all making their first appearance or first major appearance in front of the mainstream. That festival was what started the Summer of Love. Woodstock wouldn't have happened without it. The 60s wouldn't be remembered the same without it.

 

[SugarCC]

Janis, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Otis Redding - all making their first appearance or first major appearance in front of the mainstream. That festival was what started the Summer of Love. Woodstock wouldn't have happened without it. The 60s wouldn't be remembered the same without it.

Oh, I'm in total agreement. Still, not remembered like Woodstock, by the average person.

Most definitely should be, though.

 

[VFLBerg]

I’m sorry, who’s juju?

Juwan Mitchell.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Juwan Mitchell.

That what I thought, but didn’t want to assume.

 

[Nuctech777]

Juwan Mitchell.

Good riddance to him and Banks then

 

[UTProf]

Oh, I'm in total agreement. Still, not remembered like Woodstock, by the average person.

Most definitely should be, though.

I think it's because Woodstock represented what was happening on the West Coast finally hitting the entire country. Hell, even now as college football fans we rarely truly know that much about what's going on with West Coast teams because of the time difference and we have 24/7 news coverage and a vested interest as cfb fans. But back then, the world was even bigger - more disconnected. While smaller countercultural movements were all over the nation and on every college campus of any size (minus super restrictive religious type unis/colleges), most white middle class Americans were completely unaware of it.

Woodstock was so big and happened on the East Coast that the nation finally paid attention to it. They finally had a feel that there was were a massive cultural shift taking place right under their noses and that the youth of that time frame were rebelling against a lot of things, demanding shifts and changes that at the time seemed fairly radical.

 

[volinokc]

@Devo182

I hope this note did not come off as smarmy in my reponse; not my intent

Perhaps I should have said that if you are selective about the festivals you attend, there are still some great communal gatherings that celebrate amazing music

Jazz Fest is my absolute favorite

But I also have a clinging-to-my-quickly-evaporating-youth weak spot EDM festivals... and for that Electric Forest in MI and Sonic Bloom in CO are amazing

I live in Denver and attend a show per month at Red Rocks whether I know the band or not. The community and the venue are worth the price of admission

I’ll keep beating this drum for all the closeted avant garde in here: Big Ears. The best from all around the world come to play in Knoxville. There is not a city on the globe that has a festival that can top it.