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Kingston Vol said:
My mind still goes back to Hubbs dropping Greg Schiano's name. Think there's something there.

Also, if Norvell is really on Florida's shortlist you can bet he's on ours. A lot of these searches/search firms use the same criteria.
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Would be very solid hire.
 
#3,956
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HankHill said:
Even still there’s no need to panic. Butch has shown to be a really bad coach on a big stage. So if we get a guy that’s even decent at management. We will be fine. Anyone can bring players to TN.
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Fine doesn't win championships or even compete for the SEC. Won't even win the east if UGA keeps at it and FL makes a good hire.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Please allow me to digress for a moment, if for nothing besides personal therapy.

Since the time of Fulmer, I have excitedly waited for the time of Tennessee's rise back to the top of the football world. Like many on here, I grew up in the Majors Fulmer era, and a relatively dominant Tennessee team as to be expected annually. It was never a question of whether we would beat most teams, just by how much. The only real question is could we get Florida, would UGA finally be able to beat us, and maybe a test from Bama. The rest, take for granted.

With each hire, there was what I must now admit was ignorant hope. Kiffin was brash and young and recruited lights out. Dooley showed promise and had some bad breaks, and Butch "got it" and truly loved Tennessee. Era after era, hopes were dashed, but I clinged to one misplaced faith that I thought was a given...

Until very recently, I rather blindly assumed that the AD and the boosters would naturally want to win championships and would take the necessary steps to do so. It makes sense, right? I mean, isn't that the point of this whole thing? Apparently not. I have come to realize that like most things in life, it comes down to money, power and politics. I once thought that we couldn't make the hire because the funds were low, but apparently we are doing well now. Sure Neyland needs some work, but the preoccupation with the facade while the program competes for a foothold with Mizzou, Vandy and Kentucky makes me think the powers miss the forest for the trees.

The mouths do enough talking to keep the masses satisfied, but when it's time to put the money where the mouth is, there is just mouth... and empty words. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is where I think this is. As long as Neyland Stadium in near capacity, licensing deals and sales are high, and donations are good enough to keep padding the bank account, egos, and renovations, the product on the field can remain mediocre. Mainatain enough success to not impact those bottom lines, and if you get lucky and win something of substance... awesome.

You and I are every Tennessee fan. You and I are Mel Gibson's William Wallace in Braveheart, who has stood for Scotland, and fought for freedom, trying to unite the fat rich Scottish nobles who are more content to fight for position and lands for themselves than to use their position and power to give the people the freedom they desire. In the moment when Wallace thinks he has united the clans to fight for freedom, he finds himself knocked off of his horse in battle by a masked opponent... Isaac the Bruce, a nobleman who had just sworn allegiance to Wallace, but as usual, was tempted by the riches of padding his own power and wealth. Isaac believed in the fight, but in that moment, he settled for selfishness and betrayal.

So there we sit, on the battlefield, hurt and dazed, metaphorically looking into the eyes of those we trusted to restore this program. Painfully it becomes clear. They seem to not believe in the battle we thought we were fighting together, and would rather quarrel amongst themselves and pursue other agendas.

Rant over, carry on.
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Good post. I've said for a long time from a business model it is a successful one. Not much room for increased revenue so why pay for a top tier coach. Not worth the risk. I sense it's different this time though. I'm not sure fans are going to keep throwing money at it. May find something else to do on Saturdays.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Should be fun! Lol. If we had a smart OC, we would roll JG out frequently so he had the option to run, but we won’t do that. We will sit him in the pocket so that we can give up 10 sacks to that vaunted Southern Miss defense.
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They have been rolling him out. He just either runs out of bounds or takes a sack.... both unfortunately 10 yards behind the LOS
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Good post. I've said for a long time from a business model it is a successful one. Not much room for increased revenue so why pay for a top tier coach. Not worth the risk. I sense it's different this time though. I'm not sure fans are going to keep throwing money at it. May find something else to do on Saturdays.
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Just like a large number of NFL fans have done with their Sundays. The era when admins/owners, and those who cash those huge checks can ignore the fan base is over. Fans have learned to speak with their wallets.


Vive La Revolution!!!
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Man I wish the Lord would help me get tempered more like you, you're a great guy and an inspiration. By his grace I have laid so much of my old self down, but my worst fault is still my temper. It's not as bad as it once was, but I haven't been able to totally overcome it either.
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It is a daily struggle. Paul said so as well. What I want to do, I do not do (paraphrased). Keep struggling.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Good post. I've said for a long time from a business model it is a successful one. Not much room for increased revenue so why pay for a top tier coach. Not worth the risk. I sense it's different this time though. I'm not sure fans are going to keep throwing money at it. May find something else to do on Saturdays.
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eh it's not a sustainable plan though. there will be a breaking point. that time appears to be now. and if the right moves aren't made then it could be damning for a long period of time. see Colorado, Nebraska etc. See Miami who is trying to climb out of that hole.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Good post. I've said for a long time from a business model it is a successful one. Not much room for increased revenue so why pay for a top tier coach. Not worth the risk. I sense it's different this time though. I'm not sure fans are going to keep throwing money at it. May find something else to do on Saturdays.
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I love going to Neyland and joining 100,000+ screaming fans to cause disruption for the other team. But if we aren't even going to get a decent coach, who cares? It's too easy now to watch your big screen at home, and my bathroom is right down the hall--much cleaner. Also, my food at home tastes better and is cheaper than at Neyland.
 
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JacketVol said:
We have been coming despite crappy football. Build a great venue and win 5-8 games per year, I will watch from home and go to Tech games. A lot cheaper.
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You threaten to "go to Tech games" and give up UT about 3 times a day...... 😂
 
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John Currie has 2 huge jobs.

1) hire a football coach that will get us where we belong.

2) raise money for facilities


Why on earth is it so hard to understand one of those is done in private and one is done in public?


You guys acting like LA post means anything aren't being rational
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Good post. I've said for a long time from a business model it is a successful one. Not much room for increased revenue so why pay for a top tier coach. Not worth the risk. I sense it's different this time though. I'm not sure fans are going to keep throwing money at it. May find something else to do on Saturdays.
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I already sense myself scaling it back a bit. I'm a Tennessee fan to the core, but if this hire is underwhelming I'm gonna try to turn my level of fandom down. I can't keep investing so much time and money into a program who continues accept mediocrity. They better get this hire right, and if they don't, I hope there will be more fans out there like me who try to hit this administration where it hurts. Spare me the "you're not a real fan" bull butter.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Please allow me to digress for a moment, if for nothing besides personal therapy.

Since the time of Fulmer, I have excitedly waited for the time of Tennessee's rise back to the top of the football world. Like many on here, I grew up in the Majors Fulmer era, and a relatively dominant Tennessee team as to be expected annually. It was never a question of whether we would beat most teams, just by how much. The only real question is could we get Florida, would UGA finally be able to beat us, and maybe a test from Bama. The rest, take for granted.

With each hire, there was what I must now admit was ignorant hope. Kiffin was brash and young and recruited lights out. Dooley showed promise and had some bad breaks, and Butch "got it" and truly loved Tennessee. Era after era, hopes were dashed, but I clinged to one misplaced faith that I thought was a given...

Until very recently, I rather blindly assumed that the AD and the boosters would naturally want to win championships and would take the necessary steps to do so. It makes sense, right? I mean, isn't that the point of this whole thing? Apparently not. I have come to realize that like most things in life, it comes down to money, power and politics. I once thought that we couldn't make the hire because the funds were low, but apparently we are doing well now. Sure Neyland needs some work, but the preoccupation with the facade while the program competes for a foothold with Mizzou, Vandy and Kentucky makes me think the powers miss the forest for the trees.

The mouths do enough talking to keep the masses satisfied, but when it's time to put the money where the mouth is, there is just mouth... and empty words. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is where I think this is. As long as Neyland Stadium in near capacity, licensing deals and sales are high, and donations are good enough to keep padding the bank account, egos, and renovations, the product on the field can remain mediocre. Mainatain enough success to not impact those bottom lines, and if you get lucky and win something of substance... awesome.

You and I are every Tennessee fan. You and I are Mel Gibson's William Wallace in Braveheart, who has stood for Scotland, and fought for freedom, trying to unite the fat rich Scottish nobles who are more content to fight for position and lands for themselves than to use their position and power to give the people the freedom they desire. In the moment when Wallace thinks he has united the clans to fight for freedom, he finds himself knocked off of his horse in battle by a masked opponent... Isaac the Bruce, a nobleman who had just sworn allegiance to Wallace, but as usual, was tempted by the riches of padding his own power and wealth. Isaac believed in the fight, but in that moment, he settled for selfishness and betrayal.

So there we sit, on the battlefield, hurt and dazed, metaphorically looking into the eyes of those we trusted to restore this program. Painfully it becomes clear. They seem to not believe in the battle we thought we were fighting together, and would rather quarrel amongst themselves and pursue other agendas.

Rant over, carry on.
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I normally skip over long posts but I read this on for some reason. I agree fully. I grew up in the years where Tennessee was dominant and I miss those days.

The steepest downside is today's kids don't know anything about a winning legacy at Tennessee. One more bad hire and it could be forgotten altogether.
 
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