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I haven’t been on the Gruden or bust train.

However I find it funny how the board allows any comment to sway emotion.


Smiley face emoji has the place melting.


A guy says this booster isn’t the reason he’s coming... folks on suicide watch.
 
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volatil said:
I haven’t been on the Gruden or bust train.

However I find it funny how the board allows any comment to sway emotion.


Smiley face emoji has the place melting.


A guy says this booster isn’t the reason he’s coming... folks on suicide watch.
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DP went on to say in the wee morning hours that Gruden is not coming.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
And yet we still can’t get a top level coach to come do work
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I have a confession to make. Back in the summer of 2011 ESPNU was doing campus shows for different university football programs and I watched the one on the Cincinatti Bearcats because we were going to play them that year. Jones was the star of the show and I thought he was a dweeb. It's true. During our game I watched him on the sideline because he had come across as a hollow big talker and I wanted to see how he reacted to the whooping that Dooley's team laid on him. He seemed unfazed. I've started a number of threads positive toward him and the program since he's been here but somewhere in every season I've always come back to my original assessment. I wish him luck as he moves on which is hopefully soon.

I've been reading up on the "search firm" industry in college sports and it reminds me a lot of "Body Shops" we use in the corporate world for staff augmentation. Unless you have a subject matter expert (Fulmer/Peyton) doing the interviews and making the hiring decisions it's hit or miss, mostly miss.

Wilder said she spends a great deal of time talking to people and uses her visits to campuses to get an idea of the pulse of the place. Ultimately, though, she said it's not her job to decide if a person is right for a university. It's up to the individual doing the hiring.

But that, most everyone agrees, is part of the problem, and a real reason why search firms have grown so popular -- the person doing the hiring isn't who it used to be.

"Of course that's part of the problem, a big part," said George Mason head coach Paul Hewitt. "A very big part."

For years, for better and for worse, the athletic director's big corner office doubled as a retirement home. This is where old coaches went to finish out the string, taking their knowledge, connections and insights from the playing field to the conference room.

If they weren't ex-coaches, ADs came up by their bootstraps, promoted through the channels of an athletic department, learning the intricacies of the business along the way.

They liked to talk about the list they kept. Some stored it in the corners of their brains, others in their top desk drawers. Either way, it contained an ever-changing list of coaches, men or women they thought would meet their school's needs should a vacancy ever arrive.

But money changes everything, and on college campuses, the big money -- or at the very least, the potential for it -- sits in the athletic department.

Not coincidentally, the corner office is these days more and more a corporate office, occupied by a businessman or businesswoman who may know how to run the department from an organizational standpoint, but lacks the Rolodex of connections.

Into the abyss saunters the search firm.

"Athletic directors have changed," Wilder said. "They're lawyers or CPAs or MBAs. The way they run their department is very different. The concept of having that list in your pocket and being able to go one, two, three, four down that list just doesn't exist anymore."
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ing-head-coaching-vacancies-college-athletics
 
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volatil said:
Pretty sure he said he was on the Gruden train last go around.

I’ll wait

Guess he wanted Gruden wearing that Adidas gear.
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I'm not convinced he's coming but that DP stuff has little influence on that. He came out swinging and condescending. It was very trollish. I'm just gonna sit back and watch it unfold.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
UT AD/Football Program source launches blistering attack on fanbase (hyperbole intended)

Someone is miffed because a few people didn't believe the Dooley hire or the Jones hire was up to expectations for Tennessee and never gave the guys a chance yet we had the 3rd highest attendance in the SEC for Jones 1st spring practice in 2013. The hype in the fanbase for at least the first 2 & 1/2 years of the Jones tenure was off the charts. The last 2 years season ticket sales have been the best in the last 10 years. We are one of only 4 SEC schools that average over 100k in attendance for our home games. What exactly is there to be miffed about in regards to the fanbase?

I'm seriously trying to figure out what else the fanbase needed to do to show that it was giving the guy a chance?



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I did take offense at what Deerpark said about the fans.
 
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If everything we here about the current culture is true:

1. Disciplinarian - Don't want another player's coach . Time to hit the weights hard. Everybody.

2. Offensive coach - Offense needs an identity . No rhythm now and no one at the qb position has looked comfortable. QB whisperer?

3. Isn't scared of Saban.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not convinced he's coming but that DP stuff has little influence on that. He came out swinging and condescending. It was very trollish. I'm just gonna sit back and watch it unfold.
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Tennessee fans buy tons of gear. Nike would rake with a high profile coach in place wearing that swoosh.


Again I’ll wait
 
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JCP201 said:
I did take offense at what Deerpark said about the fans.
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DeerPark12 said:
Yes. Autocorrect got me.

Jon Gruden doesn’t want to coach college football. No amount of money is going to change that.

I also think it’s pretty funny that for a group of long time Tennessee fans nobody got the Legions of the Miserable reference. Johnny Majors used that to talk about Tennessee fans starting in the 1980s. He made it famous during the 0-6 start to the 1988 season. He continued to use the term until he left.
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From this morning.
 
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volatil said:
I haven’t been on the Gruden or bust train.

However I find it funny how the board allows any comment to sway emotion.


Smiley face emoji has the place melting.


A guy says this booster isn’t the reason he’s coming... folks on suicide watch.
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It is quite the rollercoaster each and every day. I’m glad I read this thread first this morning now I know to skip the last 3000 posts that happened last night in the Gruden thread.

Deerpark doesn’t know more than you and I on this coaching search, imo.
 
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volatil said:
Tennessee fans buy tons of gear. Nike would rake with a high profile coach in place wearing that swoosh.


Again I’ll wait
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Yep. DP has an agenda/bias for sure. I'd say former Adidas rep is pretty likely after him being equally condescending about how the Nike deal was impossible and would never happen.
 
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KnoxLandcruiser said:
That attitude coming from those inside the AD is the problem.

"This aggression will not stand MAN!" - the Dude
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apparently, he's not inside the AD and I don't understand how he is so sure about his info if this is true:

Originally Posted by DeerPark12
My perspective is that the people that focus on candidates that are never even a possibility never give a chance to whoever is hired. That isn't a problem that's unique to Tennessee.

I've never worked in the AD. Other people have said that about me, I've never claimed it myself. I don't even live in Knoxville anymore. My company works with Division I schools all over the country and I've seen this play out other places. When ADs don't hire the person the fans want, even if that person had no desire for the job, many fans just start the countdown until the next search.
 
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JCP201 said:
apparently, he's not inside the AD and I don't understand how he is so sure about his info if this is true:

Originally Posted by DeerPark12
My perspective is that the people that focus on candidates that are never even a possibility never give a chance to whoever is hired. That isn't a problem that's unique to Tennessee.

I've never worked in the AD. Other people have said that about me, I've never claimed it myself. I don't even live in Knoxville anymore. My company works with Division I schools all over the country and I've seen this play out other places. When ADs don't hire the person the fans want, even if that person had no desire for the job, many fans just start the countdown until the next search.
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Lol deerpark
 
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volatil said:
Tennessee fans buy tons of gear. Nike would rake with a high profile coach in place wearing that swoosh.


Again I’ll wait
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The whole city/area would explode with a Gruden hire. Restaurants, shops, brands, downtown, and campus would be hopping. Business would be a boomin.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
From this morning.
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I got the Legions of Miserables, but it is still blaming the fans for there unhappiness with poor hires..

There was a time when VOLS were best of the best. Now, we are looked at differently and that is definitely not on the fans.. We fill those stadiums and our very passionate about our team. (speaking to the choir, here..)
 
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Swain dropping bombs this AM

Said two power 5 coaches contacted us who are offensive minds. Said they would be home run hires.

Said Haslam has been pushed to the side and other big money guys have made it clear they will break the bank for Jon Gruden.

Said we are closer to Gruden than we’ve ever been.
 
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