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Anybody pooing on Petersen should consider this:

From 1975-2002 UW was a proud program. Their coaches’ records were all pretty good. Then came Neuheisel and probation, which as far as I can tell did not involve a bowl ban or loss of scholarships.

Despite that, from 2002-2010 UW was atrociois; didn’t even make a bowl game.

Then they hired Steve Sarkisian who got the ball rolling. He recruited pretty well, only had one losing season but never won more than 8 games. Sound familiar?

Enter Chris Petersen. His record there has been mentioned. Basically, he’s already done for UW what we want him to do here.

It probably won’t happen but that guy is a dream come true scenario.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
People want to sleep on Frost, but you’ve only got one shot at him
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I agree, but it still gives me pause. I mean IF he really is the next great one (which I strongly suspect) Then you get a legend, a guy who gets roads named after him, and statues erected. But if he isn't, then we have to watch the UT program sink into the abyss...it is a tough call and I can see why a lot of guy want to go the safe "Meh" route...I just don't see the safe route having a much better ending than the riskier one at this point, and the riskier one could be The ONE.
 
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Rishvol said:
I like it but I don't think he'd come here for $3 mil with the "throw the bank" rumors. Though I don't think you should start him with more than $4 mil. Other than that I say let do dis
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It gives him a raise. I think he bites if approached because he’d be betting on himself. My scenario involves reevaluating and rewarding if he works out in year two or three. It makes the buyout less of a factor.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I agree, but it still gives me pause. I mean IF he really is the next great one (which I strongly suspect) Then you get a legend, a guy who gets roads named after him, and statues erected. But if he isn't, then we have to watch the UT program sink into the abyss...it is a tough call and I can see why a lot of guy want to go the safe "Meh" route...I just don't see the safe route having a much better ending than the riskier one at this point, and the riskier one could be The ONE.
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None of us know crap

Campbell
Sumlin
Frost
Mullen
Malzahn
Norvell
Brohm
Morris
Taggart

Let each VN poster predict the winning % it each over the next decade. I bet no one even breaks statistical chance with their results, including me
 
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i2amavol said:
OK. Point taken.

Like with Venables, I go back to Frost's pedigree. He has studied under many of the best there is.
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I agree it's really impressive. But a pedigree doesn't guarantee success as a HC at a big time program. There are plenty of examples of guys who cut their teeth under greats like Bellicheck, Saban, or others and can't sustain success as HCs at big time jobs.

Frost's, I'd say, is the most uniquely good resume I've seen from a P5 HC in a really long time, if ever. The only thing he's missing is more time and sustained success as a HC.
 
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butchna said:
If he became the top candidate, that buyout is easily workable. He’s making $2 mil with incentives currently. Give him a raise to &3 mil and float that $9 mil buyout over 5 years. Would entail a minimal buyout for us if he’s fired...a substantial ($15 mil?) if he jets on us. By year 3 we should have a pretty good bearing of what we hired and if he’s killing it, we can reward him by making his contract friendlier. Thoughts?
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That is not a bad idea.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Anybody pooing on Petersen should consider this:

From 1975-2002 UW was a proud program. Their coaches’ records were all pretty good. Then came Neuheisel and probation, which as far as I can tell did not involve a bowl ban or loss of scholarships.

Despite that, from 2002-2010 UW was atrociois; didn’t even make a bowl game.

Then they hired Steve Sarkisian who got the ball rolling. He recruited pretty well, only had one losing season but never won more than 8 games. Sound familiar?

Enter Chris Petersen. His record there has been mentioned. Basically, he’s already done for UW what we want him to do here.

It probably won’t happen but that guy is a dream come true scenario.
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Petersen, IMO, is the best possible hire we could make outside of Meyer or Saban. Somehow getting him to come to the Southeast and commit to living this side of the rockies for basically the first time in his life would be a huge power move by Currie that would completely change the lanscape of CFB for the next decade or more.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I agree, but it still gives me pause. I mean IF he really is the next great one (which I strongly suspect) Then you get a legend, a guy who gets roads named after him, and statues erected. But if he isn't, then we have to watch the UT program sink into the abyss...it is a tough call and I can see why a lot of guy want to go the safe "Meh" route...I just don't see the safe route having a much better ending than the riskier one at this point, and the riskier one could be The ONE.
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What are your thoughts on Campbell?

edit: nvm, bad timing
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I like Campbell almost as much as I do Frost. They could be very well be the next generational stars. They both have the chutzpah that Mehlan lacks imo.
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What they have in common is experience on both sides of the ball. That’s almost unique and definitely a plus.
 
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butchna said:
What they have in common is experience on both sides of the ball. That’s almost unique and definitely a plus.
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I agree. After Gruden (I know) Petersen or Patterson, I would go after one those two hard, and let the chips fall where they may. Just give them every resource available like Sabans analyst legion and see what happens.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I agree. After Gruden (I know) Petersen or Patterson, I would go after one those two hard, and let the chips fall where they may. Just give them every resource available like Sabans analyst legion and see what happens.
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I'm basically of the same mind.The only caveat I'd add is if we get one of those two we've gotta do all we can to surround them with legitimate SEC staffs.

Not that I think we shouldn't let them pick their own guys or anything, but I'm not sure setting them up with UCF or ISU staffs is a recipe for success.
 
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I would absolutely love Petersen as our coach. Only worry is he has no recruiting ties to the South. His staff would have to change to fit the SEC. But Petersen can absolutely coach and develop talent like no other.
 
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JAllen18 said:
I would absolutely love Petersen as our coach. Only worry is he has no recruiting ties to the South. His staff would have to change to fit the SEC. But Petersen can absolutely coach and develop talent like no other.
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Would be a concern, no doubt. I think the past few years since the playoffs started have shown that coaching can get you there, but you've gotta have some blue chip difference makers to win it all.
 
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JAllen18 said:
I would absolutely love Petersen as our coach. Only worry is he has no recruiting ties to the South. His staff would have to change to fit the SEC. But Petersen can absolutely coach and develop talent like no other.
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Very good point. Without a staff that could recruit consistently well in the South, we would be setting him up for failure.
 
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All this discussion brings up a point I made earlier. We as fans are just looking at the head coaching candidates and making judgements, but Currie had better be figuring out who the prospective staffs are going to be. This is just as important in most cases.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I'm basically of the same mind.The only caveat I'd add is if we get one of those two we've gotta do all we can to surround them with legitimate SEC staffs.

Not that I think we shouldn't let them pick their own guys or anything, but I'm not sure setting them up with UCF or ISU staffs is a recipe for success.
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That would be the trick with those two. Making them comfortable as possible, but not having a staff full of JV coaches or castoffs like Butch did.
 
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JAllen18 said:
I would absolutely love Petersen as our coach. Only worry is he has no recruiting ties to the South. His staff would have to change to fit the SEC. But Petersen can absolutely coach and develop talent like no other.
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What kind of Southern recruiting ties does Matt Campbell have? I guess Frost gets to pick over the leavings of the big 3 Florida schols and the other p5 programs that recruit FL although I'm not sure how strong of ties one can establish in less than two years and I am relativity sure that many UCF prospects could not get admitted to UTK without academic exceptions.
 
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