Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XVI

[seaofORANGE22]

Considering a lot of the hires NFL teams make, not sure that's the best argument.

That's actually a pretty fair point

 

[volstopfan14]

He gave it to Bajakian :whistling:

Yeah, for all the people who just want to put blind faith in Butch, anyone who wasn't a Bajakian fan (and those people are not small in number) needs to take a step back and realize that they believe Butch's only OC wasn't good. Not a great track record of picking a play caller. (Now obviously if you liked Bajakian then thats irrelevant)

The goal this year was to win a bowl game and we accomplished that. So yeah. I think we got it done.

Also I forgot how much the NFL loves hacks.

Bajakian is a very good QB coach, and that's what he was hired for. I've not seen anyone questioning that. He saw both Worley and Dobbs improve while he was here. He's got a great track record there.

IMO, he's just a really poor play caller/game planner. But that's not what Tampa hired him to do.

And as someone else said, the NFL hires failing retreads every year. Just because you are hired as an NFL coach doesn't mean you know what you're doing. Dooley is an NFL assistant for crying out loud.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

 

[WTNVol2]

I'm not trying to be negative because I was one that thought Butch was a bad hire and have been proven wrong, but compare this Debord hire to Auburn's hire of Muschamp or Bama's hire of Kiffen and it is hard to get excited.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I realize how bad they were. But this is how TN works. Always has, always will. Hire on the cheap, fans get exited, more ticket sales, more donations because of the new energy, coach flames out after 3-4 years, coach gets fired, wash rinse repeat.

I do believe Kiffen and company were the highest paid staff in the country at the time.

 

[butchna]

UTC's AD says CBJ has reached out to their OC Jeff Durden

Jeff Durden Bio - University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Official Athletics Site

Durp?

 

[eazyTD]

UT Sports reporting must be really bad if VolNation is getting the scoop before them...

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I can tell that you think I'm just BS'ing everyone and I wish I were. This is from the same person that said Henderson was leaving (Hubbs denied at first), Hendrix, Helm and Scott were leaving, Payne was leaving and that Dobbs' redshirt would be pulled when Worley went down.

I'm hoping and praying it was bad info.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I do believe Kiffen and company were the highest paid staff in the country at the time.

I don't think so. Kiffin made under 2. The rest of the staff were handsomely paid but I don't think the whole staff added up to Saban's 5 mil at the time.

 

[VolGee4]

I'm the voice of reason more often then Ya think. People just hate to admit it to anyone else. HaHa

No. Just no.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

Yeah, for all the people who just want to put blind faith in Butch, anyone who wasn't a Bajakian fan (and those people are not small in number) needs to take a step back and realize that they believe Butch's only OC wasn't good. Not a great track record of picking a play caller. (Now obviously if you liked Bajakian then thats irrelevant)

Bajakian is a very good QB coach, and that's what he was hired for. I've not seen anyone questioning that. He saw both Worley and Dobbs improve while he was here. He's got a great track record there.

IMO, he's just a really poor play caller/game planner. But that's not what Tampa hired him to do.

And as someone else said, the NFL hires failing retreads every year. Just because you are hired as an NFL coach doesn't mean you know what you're doing. Dooley is an NFL assistant for crying out loud.

Very cool double quote.

And yeah I see what you're saying. My point is really just that it's probably going to be fine. We can't control hires. But we can control our reaction to hires.

Tennessee has great momentum right now on a national scale. Although you wouldn't know it by all the nit picky complaining going on around here.

 

[csprig9]

I can tell that you think I'm just BS'ing everyone and I wish I were. This is from the same person that said Henderson was leaving (Hubbs denied at first), Hendrix, Helm and Scott were leaving, Payne was leaving and that Dobbs' redshirt would be pulled when Worley went down.

I'm hoping and praying it was bad info.

I believe u. who's to say he doesn't come in and mahoney is let go and debord and azzani are co o coordinaters and Sheridan is the new qb coach. Not too bad really. They will be using Butch's playbook. Maybe there will be a few changes to style but not much if this happened imo

 

[AF_VOL]

I can tell that you think I'm just BS'ing everyone and I wish I were. This is from the same person that said Henderson was leaving (Hubbs denied at first), Hendrix, Helm and Scott were leaving, Payne was leaving and that Dobbs' redshirt would be pulled when Worley went down.

I'm hoping and praying it was bad info.

I appreciate your info and don't doubt your getting it from someone you trust, it just seems like we are getting quite a bit of bad info lately.

I'm starting to wonder if Butch keeping such a tight ship is why we don't get updates like we used to.

 

[Vol464]

It's not up to a brand new offensive coordinator to close out our recruiting class. Lol. We've got some pretty important coaches with great relationships with all of our commits on staff that have been doing this for a while now.

I'm pretty disappointed in the reaction around here. This is the recruiting forum for goodness sakes! Pull yourselves together.

Yes, this whole tread pretty much sucks the last couple of days.

 

[eazyTD]

I believe u. who's to say he doesn't come in and mahoney is let go and debord and azzani are co o coordinaters and Sheridan is the new qb coach. Not too bad really. They will be using Butch's playbook. Maybe there will be a few changes bit not much if this happened imo

That's my hope. Maybe there's more moving parts here than the eyes see right now.

 

[Aesius]

Best case scenario with DeBord is that we get the same offense as last year with fewer head scratching calls (because Butch steps in) and better OL performance.

Worst case scenario is the offense is exactly the same as last year but with a different variety of head scratching calls.

I don't think the offense will change much either way. Bajakian called the plays, but it was Butch's offense.

 

[Vol464]

Does that add up to the best staff in America?

Heckuva lot better than anything we have seen in years.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Best case scenario with DeBord is that we get the same offense as last year with fewer head scratching calls (because Butch steps in) and better OL performance.

Worst case scenario is the offense is exactly the same as last year but with a different variety of head scratching calls.

I don't think the offense will change much either way. Bajakian called the plays, but it was Butch's offense.

I don't think it'll change much either. If this hire goes through it's obvious that Butch wanted an extention of his arm. I am concerned about how this will reflect recruiting from a perspective standpoint. I am sure other schools will use this against us. Much of the stuff that has been posted on here will be the same stuff used by opposing coaches.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I don't think so. Kiffin made under 2. The rest of the staff were handsomely paid but I don't think the whole staff added up to Saban's 5 mil at the time.

UTs staff was the highest paid....not figuring in the HC. I know Monte was making like 1.2.

TN tried the pay for the top guys thing....and at least that time it didn't work out.

 

[chavisut]

Butch could hire Lamarcus Coker as OC and Rick Clausen as QB coach and I wouldn't care. They would just be calling CBJ 's plays and running the offense as they have been instructed to do.

You think that's all there is to it? No game planning and scheming? Adjustments?

 

[InVOLuntary]

UTs staff was the highest paid....not figuring in the HC. I know Monte was making like 1.2.

TN tried the pay for the top guys thing....and at least that time it didn't work out.

Well the head coach is kinda a big deal.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

You think that's all there is to it? No game planning and scheming? Adjustments?

Rick Clausen would not need adjustments. Hello.

 

[LotteryPick]

You think that's all there is to it? No game planning and scheming? Adjustments?

He doesn't understand. Don't try.

 

[VolBalla2014]

My main concern that has yet to be addressed is what are we going to do about the coaches rap album cover. Is there going to be a new photo taken? Is someone going to photoshop the new coach in over Bajakian's head? I need answers people. Calling all insiders. Skeet, GFW, Deerpark. Where are you??

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Well the head coach is kinda a big deal.

Of course it is. I guess I just don't see the issue. Hire a 600,000 coach who is young, has hair, and can dance, vs a guy for 600,000 with a resume a mile long who is going to do the exact same thing the young guy would..,,run Butchs offense how he wants it run.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Of course it is. I guess I just don't see the issue. Hire a 600,000 coach who is young, has hair, and can dance, vs a guy for 600,000 with a resume a mile long who is going to do the exact same thing the young guy would..,,run Butchs offense how he wants it run.

Or hire the guy that might bring a new wrinkle to the offense. If you're going to hire a yes man where no talent is required just save your money and put a GA up there. Who do you think the recruits would relate to better? A 40 yo up and Coming coach that has a rep for putting up points or a guy that's managed Olympic sports for the last few years?