Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XVI

[LebanonVolunteer]

What if CMU hires Z, and he takes Mahoney with him? Or Jancek?

CZA as HC makes sense. CJJ going with him to he his DC at a third the pay? Not so much.

 

[OldVol49vfl]

Until you walk into Preston williams house and introduce yourself. He can go play in much more fun, explosive offenses or he can go to old bald white guy U. Then proceed to play for a guy who has never ran a spread.

It's according to what is said by the OBWG. If they say in a convincing manner that their spread offense is better that the young flashy coaches spread and that they have years of experience to back them up it could mean a lot to the Preston Williams types. The kids on the team need to look like they can play, the coaches don't have to look that way.
By the way, I'm not supporting DeBord as the OC coach (unless he is named as the coach) I'm just saying that to condemn someone because of their age doesn't make sense.

 

[JacketVol]

If CZA leaves due to this, I'm going to blow a gasket.

I don't think ZA is ready for the OC position here. Recruits like him but he has proven less as an OC than the guy you are hating on.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

It's according to what is said by the OBWG. If they say in a convincing manner that their spread offense is better that the young flashy coaches spread and that they have years of experience to back them up it could mean a lot to the Preston Williams types. The kids on the team need to look like they can play, the coaches don't have to look that way.
By the way, I'm not supporting DeBord as the OC coach (unless he is named as the coach) I'm just saying that to condemn someone because of their age doesn't make sense.

PW was fine with a middle aged white bald guy. An old white bald guy? Imo no matter.

 

[JacketVol]

Not that he cares, but I'll be extremely disappointed in Butch if his plan is to get by with a GA coaching the QBs. That's just a boneheaded move imo. You don't need two guys to coach the OL, just one capable guy.

Guy has coached QB's and was passing coordinator at USF. It is not like he just got out of class and has just been doing laundry.

 

[NMVol]

It's according to what is said by the OBWG. If they say in a convincing manner that their spread offense is better that the young flashy coaches spread and that they have years of experience to back them up it could mean a lot to the Preston Williams types. The kids on the team need to look like they can play, the coaches don't have to look that way.
By the way, I'm not supporting DeBord as the OC coach (unless he is named as the coach) I'm just saying that to condemn someone because of their age doesn't make sense.

I don't know. Seems suspect. It appears you have a vested interest.

 

[volfan4evr]

One way or the other, whatever Butch does, we don't have a say. On the other hand, VN needs someting to complain about.

 

[YorkVol]

I heard Jones placed Deborg in a job with not much to do and told him to study and perfect his offence to be ready for a title run in 2016.

Source: I just made that up.

 

[Weezer]

I am not 100 percent convinced we don't improve. You guys are acting like CMB was the best OC we have had. He sucked according to most of you.

I wasn't a huge Coach Jake fan most of the time. I'm not saying playcalling is going to get worse. I'm trying to puzzle together the positional coaching, first and foremost. But at the same time, if interest in the position was "pouring in" as Butch said, how is it a guy who just spent a year away from the game and hasn't served as an OC in several years seems to get the only interview and now is apparently going to be the hire? The math isn't adding up. I think there's reason to have questions.

 

[unioncityvol]

Guys. Do any of you truly believe Butch would put so much stock into this tenure and recruit such a high level if he didn't know what he was doing? He said the offensive scheme would not change. His ass is on the line if this bombs. Have a little faith. The man obviously knows what he is doing.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I wasn't a huge Coach Jake fan most of the time. I'm not saying playcalling is going to get worse. I'm trying to puzzle together the positional coaching, first and foremost. But at the same time, if interest in the position was "pouring in" as Butch said, how is it a guy who just spent a year away from the game and hasn't served as an OC in several years seems to get the only interview and now is apparently going to be the hire? The math isn't adding up. I think there's reason to have questions.

Ok, I admit it. I called CBJ 9 Times claiming to be OC at various nfl jobs. He said he would call me back. There you go, the interest he spoke of.

 

[NMVol]

Guys. Do any of you truly believe Butch would put so much stock into this tenure and recruit such a high level if he didn't know what he was doing? He said the offensive scheme would not change. His ass is on the line if this bombs. Have a little faith. The man obviously knows what he is doing.

The trauma yet haunts the fanbase.

 

[YorkVol]

Guys. Do any of you truly believe Butch would put so much stock into this tenure and recruit such a high level if he didn't know what he was doing? He said the offensive scheme would not change. His ass is on the line if this bombs. Have a little faith. The man obviously knows what he is doing.

So we are not going to a 3_4?

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Guys. Do any of you truly believe Butch would put so much stock into this tenure and recruit such a high level if he didn't know what he was doing? He said the offensive scheme would not change. His ass is on the line if this bombs. Have a little faith. The man obviously knows what he is doing.

I'm scared...

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I'm scared...

So am I.





For the rest of the SEC!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Guys. Do any of you truly believe Butch would put so much stock into this tenure and recruit such a high level if he didn't know what he was doing? He said the offensive scheme would not change. His ass is on the line if this bombs. Have a little faith. The man obviously knows what he is doing.

Fulmer was here, what 16 years? And then he hired Clawson. Coaches make mistakes. There are very few guarantees in this stuff. I think it's fair to ask questions, debate this hire.

 

[Vols4us]

This is how I feel. Everyone was down on the CBJ hire, and moaned and complained about Janceck that first year. Fan reactions to a hire mean absolutely nothing.

I hope you are right. That he finished poorly at UM and CMU with being out of football for a couple of years is disturbing.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Fulmer was here, what 16 years? And then he hired Clawson. Coaches make mistakes. There are very few guarantees in this stuff. I think it's fair to ask questions, debate this hire.

At least Butch has a long standing relationship with his guy. You would think he knows what he is getting.

 

[NMVol]

Obviously Fulmer was criticized for his loyalty and need to control. History does not have to repeat itself. Trust in the two headed monster.

 

[InVOLuntary]

At least Butch has a long standing relationship with his guy. You would think he knows what he is getting.

Fulmer had more experience in one finger than Butch has in his whole body of work. Fulmer's hire cost him his job. I would have more faith in Fulmer to make a hire than Butch simply because of his vastly superior experience. Has Butch ever had to hire an OC other than Bajakian?

 

[Aesius]

What would you guys rather have going into next season: A new OC calling the same plays our players are already familiar with, or a new OC bringing in a brand new playbook?

I think the splash names wouldn't have just tossed their playbooks in the trash to come here, but that might be exactly what Butch wants in his OC.

Given that DeBord is a former pro style guy, maybe his contributions will be to remedy things that hurt us last year like red zone scoring. Maybe he will add some pro style wrinkles while primarily calling the plays Dobbs has been learning for the past two years.

 

[Nashvegas31]

So disappointing and very dumb if we plan to let a GA be the QB coach. Yes Sheridan isn't your normal GA and is actually a good QB coach. However, he can only GA for 1 more year. This means you either have to lose another coach after next season to make room for a promotion or hope your lucky to find another guy willing to just be a GA while his previous school pays him.

Butch may be about to drastically hurt the crazy momentum he has right now. Shame

 

[jobiwan]

Absolutely, Mike DeBord is far and away with leading candidate

- John Brice

 

[jobiwan]

I will cheer up and support later, but this bums me out at the moment.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Fulmer had more experience in one finger than Butch has in his whole body of work. Fulmer's hire cost him his job. I would have more faith in Fulmer to make a hire than Butch simply because of his vastly superior experience. Has Butch ever had to hire an OC other than Bajakian?

They were winning, he didn't need to.