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#11,755
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After OU and UF I was devastated. After Arkansas I was apathetic.

Now I'm encouraged. Next year most of these one possession games will start going our way.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Thought we had them the whole time. Never game until the fumble.

This has just been a gut punch of a season.

But we are close. We are growing.
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I think we all knew it was coming. An 8-4 Tennessee team under Jones with this talent ain't gonna get blown out. Means all four losses are probably gonna be gut punches.
 
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UTCVol said:
After OU and UF I was devastated. After Arkansas I was apathetic.

Now I'm encouraged. Next year most of these one possession games will start going our way.
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Exactly. I will probably go back to a dark place if we lose any games the rest of the way though.
 
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LA Vol said:
Nick Saban has never once lowered his expectations to being competitive against a rival. He doesn't celebrate being close. He finds a close loss more frustrating than any other loss, because that means his team let an opportunity get away.

Saban expects to win, he demands it and he's pissed as hell after a loss. He hates to lose. He doesn't excuse it. He doesn't rationalize it. He doesn't think being close is any sort of victory.

And that's exactly why he wins and that's how he has developed a championship program at two schools. I hope to hell our players have that mentality and not the "oh, well, we tried, we'll get 'em next year when we're better" mentality. And I think our players do. I think they're pissed as hell they lost, and I don't think being "close" is any consolation at all. I'm glad they have that fire in their belly... unlike that segment of the fanbase whose fire turned to ashes back in the Dooley Days.
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Here's the thing though. The idea that their is some kind sympathetic link between the attitude of a fan and the performance of a team is magical thinking. Not saying that being a fan in meaningless, sure its a big part of the emotion and pageantry, but lets not overestimate our effect.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. By definition the best team always wins. Not necessarily the most talented team but the best team always win.
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I think you mean the better team on that day always wins, not the best team. Ole miss is obviously not the best team, but they were on one day better than Bama.
 
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A bunch of idiots in here, if you are complaining with that performance today. My word! Just 2 years ago we were blown out of Tuscaloosa. Just last year, we were down 27-0 with the snap of a finger. We started 2 true FR on the OL in their 1st start, a true FR at Mike, and multiple sophomores. We were missing 6 starters that were slated to start before the season ended. Yet, we went to toe to toe with a very, very good football team, who played a clean game, in their stadium. We continue to progress and get closer and closer. If you can't see that, then there's no hope for you.

I hope this team comes out mad next week, and takes UK to the woodshed.
 
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JacketVol said:
First I thought you were saying that we were two to three coaching changes (head man) before we would be good again. Actually, I think keeping the staff together except one or two that we could improve on makes sense. As far as how close we are, we will just have to disagree with each other. I am pumped that we are at the doorstep and if we can go 8-4, you will see a solid recruiting class this year and progression continuing. Go back and look over the last Dooley team and then look at today. I think you will feel better.
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No, not CBJ. I'm not convinced that 2-3 coaches need to be replaced. And, I think we need some more Jimmys and Joes. I think your time line is a little further along than mine. Which surprises me because you're an old moran like myself.
 
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Vols4us said:
Good post. Understand how you feel. If it turns out to be an 8-4 year it goes as expected.

My concern is that at Tennessee we are tired of meeting lower expectations - at least those of us that go back in time more than we care to say. lol. I still have serious concerns about Butch on game day. He does not adjust his game plan. They do not go for the throat against quality teams. Any winner will tell you to ride the hot hand until it is done, then find others. You probe the weak spots and exploit them consistently; not pretend you can impose your will on a quality team with your original game plan because those other teams will adjust. He needs to learn how to win as much as the players. He doesn't know how yet at this level. I hope he learns soon.
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I think consistently being in hard fought one possession games with teams like Florida, Georgia, Alabama and Oklahoma in the same year is not meeting low expectations. Maybe I'm just different. That's four of the top programs in the country and in college football history. Several years ago we were consistently in one possession games with the likes of Troy, South Alabama, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

I'd like to have won them all, but we didn't and we move on.
 
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Catbone said:
Will UK be ranked next week if they win?
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Who cares! My team will be mad and ready to release their frustrations on a team that they should out talent next week. Hopefully, we can get some guys healthy. Not sure who your team is playing, so why do you care what happens with UK?
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
A bunch of idiots in here, if you are complaining with that performance today. My word! Just 2 years ago we were blown out of Tuscaloosa. Just last year, we were down 27-0 with the snap of a finger. We started 2 true FR on the OL in their 1st start, a true FR at Mike, and multiple sophomores. We were missing 6 starters that were slated to start before the season ended. Yet, we went to toe to toe with a very, very good football team, who played a clean game, in their stadium. We continue to progress and get closer and closer. If you can't see that, then there's no hope for you.

I hope this team comes out mad next week, and takes UK to the woodshed.
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Great post. Unfortunately, the idiots you speak of probably didn't read it, because they are too busy trying to think of the next stupid thing they want to type.

I mean seriously...I believe everyone is pissed that we lost. I believe everyone is pissed that we could be 6-1 or 7-0 right now. I also believe that anyone that doesn't see how close we are and what a great job CBJ has done in finding and developing players is a hopeless person that does not even deserve to watch my beloved Vols play.

The bulk of our team tonight was Freshmen, RS Freshmen and Sophomores tonight and yet they played toe to toe with the #8 team in the country.
 
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NMVol said:
Here's the thing though. The idea that their is some kind sympathetic link between the attitude of a fan and the performance of a team is magical thinking. Not saying that being a fan in meaningless, sure its a big part of the emotion and pageantry, but lets not overestimate our effect.
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Oh, IDT there's any link at all between fanspeak and team performance. I just hate that many UT fans have become so accepting of losing that they celebrate losing "well." We should be pissed about close losses, because they are squandered opportunities. We can be proud of the team, but pissed that we lost. The two aren't mutually exclusive like some seem to think.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Who cares! My team will be mad and ready to release their frustrations on a team that they should out talent next week. Hopefully, we can get some guys healthy. Not sure who your team is playing, so why do you care what happens with UK?
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Uhhh... I'd like to beat another ranked team?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
No, not CBJ. I'm not convinced that 2-3 coaches need to be replaced. And, I think we need some more Jimmys and Joes. I think your time line is a little further along than mine. Which surprises me because you're an old moran like myself.
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I moved the timeline up after what I saw today. Jones and Hall and Kirkland and Martin and just so much heart and talent. It is fun to watch again. The Jimmy and Joes are there and more are coming and some will have another year in a college program.
 
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LA Vol said:
Oh, IDT there's any link at all between fanspeak and team performance. I just hate that many UT fans have become so accepting of losing that they celebrate losing "well." We should be pissed about close losses, because they are squandered opportunities. We can be proud of the team, but pissed that we lost. The two aren't mutually exclusive like some seem to think.
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We are not celebrating. No one hates to lose more than I do. However, I am realistic enough to be ENCOURAGED by the progress we are seeing in the PROGRAM. I do think we are getting there and it will be sooner than later.
 
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