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daj2576 said:
Watch for bowl season, you'll likely find out how under-valued the talent in the east is. These sorts of wild extrapolations from data, using comparative data with very few common opponents, is not as meaningful as most would want to believe.


Look at the charts I posted earlier. In the SEC the east does have the biggest over achiever (a marginally over-achieving Kentucky) but the biggest under-achiever (a massively under-achieving UGA). Everyone else is performing to talent, just like the west. The problem is that the West and the East aren't similar in talent. The best teams from the west should beat every team in the east, and the worst teams from the east should lose to every team in the west. That distracts from the middle third that are relatively equal (but somehow rarely seem to play each other).
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Kentucky isn't but so much overachieving as everyone else is underachieving. You can throw out any charts etc. and watch Georgia, Kentucky, Mizzou, Vandy, and USC play and you will realize they are terrible. Terrible coaches, bad players w the exception of Georgia. They just have terrible coaching, much like ourselves.
 
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unioncityvol said:
if arkansas wins tmw our season remains interesting, if florida wins we are out and just playing out the schedule with no goal other than improving our record and bowl draw. go hogs.
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Muschamp is going to be fired up to try to beat the Gators in Gainesville. This is a much different South Carolina team. Gators have three tough games and we have our three easiest. I still believe we're in Atlanta when it's all said and done.
 
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Orange Studs said:
Did your light Bulb go out?
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butchna said:
So he needlessly lied for a good cause ?
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In his mind, I think that was it. I don't agree with it but I think that was his motivation. He fancies himself a crusader for truth, justice, and the American Way. No seriously, that's his personality if you've ever paid attention to him. Doing that for what he deems a just cause is right in his eyes.

At least, that's how I read Foster.
 
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UGH, Kentucky is 4-4 and they are gushing all over them on Finebaum. Who have they beat? Go Georgia.
 
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JCP201 said:
UGH, Kentucky is 4-4 and they are gushing all over them on Finebaum. Who have they beat? Go Georgia.
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The standard isn't high there so they get praised when they overachieve. Just like the standard is high here, so we get killed when we underachieve.

I think I'd rather see that downfall of Georgia football, so go Cats for me.
 
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JCP201 said:
UGH, Kentucky is 4-4 and they are gushing all over them on Finebaum. Who have they beat? Go Georgia.
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Kentucky always gets slack. Tis the nature of being a bottom dweller in football. Do anything that looks remotely like you might make it to a bowl and they'll gush. Besides, we all know UK is the second most favorite team of Bammers (first favorite in Basketball). :)
 
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Vols4us said:
Alrighty then. I was trying to follow the thinking until I read that UGA has more talent than UT. Then I think it went to more experience than UT, which I don't buy into either. For the most part the players that replaced the injured starters were not true freshmen and had played. Maybe Buchanan, which was really dumb to trot him out there as well. Who won the game after silly TO's, a boatload of starters out, and only playing one half on the road? For the second year in a row. Kills the more talent argument.

aTm is equal to possibly less on talent. LSU and Bama have more. We were third in talent going in and clearly first in the east. So 10-2 because under Butch they always lose at least one they shouldn't.

Like others, I agree the USCe loss was bad. The problem is some of us see the strong potential for more losses. DT has blown up. LB is still wrong. Who plays one of the CB positions? Hurd is gone. O-line is still nicked up. Dobbs has not proven he can play a whole game without doing something, sometimes multiple somethings, really stupid. And then there is Debored.
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The original supposition I was talking about was daj's chart, which uses Rivals data. He stated he goes by the initial ranking at signing and doesn't really take into account attrition, players who bust, or players who play above their rankings (e.g., Barnett, Sutton) because those data points don't make enough of a difference to severely alter the chart across the board.

His chart is very accurate this year outside of a badly under-performing Georgia. It had TN at 9-3. Some wanted to say he (or we, I guess) were using that to "re-writed" the expectations. That wasn't the case. He said 9-3 back in May. I never said anything, but I recognize that most folks seemed centered around 10-2 with some going higher or lower.

Then it derailed into this battle over where TN's talent ranks in the SEC. Rivals indicates they are sixth according to daj's chart. Again, the chart doesn't bother with attrition or any of that because daj didn't see huge gains when it came to overall predictions. It wasn't intended to discuss anything other than final record for the year.
 
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JCP201 said:
UGH, Kentucky is 4-4 and they are gushing all over them on Finebaum. Who have they beat? Go Georgia.
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I can hardly contain myself thinking of this year's SEC Championship Game featuring Alabama vs Kentucky.

End of times here folks, end of times.
 
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UK beating UGA is terrible for UT. We need UK to have another SEC loss so UT can jump them in the SECE if we can win out. Having them roll into Neyland fired up, confident and firmly in 2nd place in the SECE is the last thing UT needs.
 
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LA Vol said:
UK beating UGA is terrible for UT. We need UK to have another SEC loss so UT can jump them in the SECE if we can win out. Having them roll into Neyland fired up, confident and firmly in 2nd place in the SECE is the last thing UT needs.
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Eh it's Kentucky. If we can't beat them at home then we need to pack it in.
 
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LA Vol said:
UK beating UGA is terrible for UT. We need UK to have another SEC loss so UT can jump them in the SECE if we can win out. Having them roll into Neyland fired up, confident and firmly in 2nd place in the SECE is the last thing UT needs.
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na i would still love to see georgia keep losing and then just beat kentucky anyway.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Come on man you can't just make stuff up and run with it...

I never was in a "high up" long term position in the AD, just the perfect spot to get some recruiting and miscellaneous info here and there, not dissimilar to a GA position. I simply enjoyed this website and liked providing some tidbits here and there as I heard it. Athletics was never a long term spot for me, and I don't work in athletics now.

As for Jalen Hurd, I've never been a big fan of the kid at all and am not surprised in the least by what has transpired. And no, I've never been a part of any "posse" of players, that's a ridiculous assumption.

I apologize for whomever's jimmies got in a rustle over me agreeing with De1. I wasn't speaking specifically on Hurd's concussion, more to some tidbits ive heard about an alarming amount of concussions in practice over the course of his tenure.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion even if it is unpopular but I can tell you there are many even within the program who have become disenchanted w/ CBJ with how the season has unfurled. Yes much of that is due to bad luck but it's pretty obvious his stubbornness isn't doing much to help.

I might of jumped to emotional conclusions regarding "fahr butch", because I genuinely do think he can turn it around. But we as a fanbase deserve some accountability and honestly it's frustrating hearing the same coach speak as nauseam. Injuries & drama aside, you don't lose to USCe with two weeks prep.

As for VN, I really love this site and Freak and co. have done a great job with it. I'll keep reading but probably won't be doing much posting in the future. Even though this season hasn't turned out like we wanted, it sure is great to be a Vol.
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Yes is sure is great to be a Vol. Hang in there - I've always appreciated your level take on things and your encouragement to Volnation when it's needed! I may be wrong but I still believe CBJ is the right man for our Vols - I like the changes he's made in the program. I hated what happened in Columbia but even my momma burned the biscuits every once in a while. :)
 
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For me, looking at how the season goes is all about wins and losses. I have never really cared about the what if's. However, looking at how the team played each game, even with the context of injuries, tells you more about how the team is developing, being coached, etc. Trying to keep it as simple as possible, this is how I look at each game so far this season based on good/bad performance.

Appt St - Bad
Va Tech - Good
Ohio - Bad
UF - Good
UGA - Good
A&M - Bad
Bama - Bad
USC - Bad

Taking out the Bama game, which I think was a combination of things that lead to a down game, we still have more bad games played than good games(4/3). Also, three of those bad games were to inferior opponents. This is not a good sign for a program that wants to play at a championship level again. JMO.
 
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LA Vol said:
UK beating UGA is terrible for UT. We need UK to have another SEC loss so UT can jump them in the SECE if we can win out. Having them roll into Neyland fired up, confident and firmly in 2nd place in the SECE is the last thing UT needs.
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