Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXIX

[volssam]

Unexpected....

MORE VERNE: Tennessee-Missouri is the CBS game on Nov. 19.

#Vols will have their max allotment of five 3:30 p.m. CBS games this season. First time in … well … a while.

 

[LynxVol]

I've said a few times this season that I think Butch is gone before 2018 due to a firing or leaving on his own when his reputation is still in tact as a good coach.

I am now of the belief it could be before 2017. His recruiting is a hint.

Maybe I missed it, but what is your reasoning?

Based on his contract, if we fire him, UT has to pay him about $2.5M per year until 2020. If Jones leaves before Feb. 2017, he would owe UT $4M. He owes $3M if he leaves before Feb. 2018.

Based on the current status of the UT program, it hasn't been better since the mid 2000's. I can't imagine the SEC East will be significantly better next year (e.g., McElwain is recruiting like Dooley while losing most of his elite defense after this season, Smart has underachieved with an extremely talented roster, etc.). The UT roster will be very talented next year.

His recruiting has been underwhelming thus far. However, a commitment from Trey Smith makes this class look a lot better. VQ and 247 have both positively noted that the current make-up of the 2017 class will likely look different by NSD 2017. However, based on 247, the class is currently #9 nationally and #4 in the SEC. That's better than the 2016 class, which has already had several key contributors.

I probably overanalyzed a simple opinion, but I just don't see how Butch goes anywhere before 2017 and doubtfully before 2018 unless he completely tanks. I just don't see that with the state of the SEC East and the current roster.

 

[McGeesPub]

Unexpected....not LSU-FL?

MORE VERNE: Tennessee-Missouri is the CBS game on Nov. 19.

That must be the weekend where the rest of the SEC plays local high school teams.

 

[appyvol]

SIAP, UT vs Mizzou 330 CBS

Edit, already posted.

 

[RockyTopInBham]

Unexpected....

MORE VERNE: Tennessee-Missouri is the CBS game on Nov. 19.

WHAT!? What in the world is CBS thinking!? How is the Florida @ LSU game a 1pm SEC Network game? :crazy:

 

[Rishvol]

That must be the weekend where the rest of the SEC plays local high school teams.

It's the weekend before the iron bowl I mean rivalry week

 

[VolinArizona]

WHAT!? What in the world is CBS thinking!? How is the Florida @ LSU game a 1pm SEC Network game? :crazy:

Was probably worked out during the negotiation. ESPN lost the original LSU Florida game.

 

[Aesius]

Maybe I missed it, but what is your reasoning?

Based on his contract, if we fire him, UT has to pay him about $2.5M per year until 2020. If Jones leaves before Feb. 2017, he would owe UT $4M. He owes $3M if he leaves before Feb. 2018.

Based on the current status of the UT program, it hasn't been better since the mid 2000's. I can't imagine the SEC East will be significantly better next year (e.g., McElwain is recruiting like Dooley while losing most of his elite defense after this season, Smart has underachieved with an extremely talented roster, etc.). The UT roster will be very talented next year.

His recruiting has been underwhelming thus far. However, a commitment from Trey Smith makes this class look a lot better. VQ and 247 have both positively noted that the current make-up of the 2017 class will likely look different by NSD 2017. However, based on 247, the class is currently #9 nationally and #4 in the SEC. That's better than the 2016 class, which has already had several key contributors.

I probably overanalyzed a simple opinion, but I just don't see how Butch goes anywhere before 2017 and doubtfully before 2018 unless he completely tanks. I just don't see that with the state of the SEC East and the current roster.

Agreed. No viable landing spots for him at lateral jobs and he hasn't done enough to get poached by somewhere like Notre Dame/Texas/LSU/Oregon. A weak East makes it even easier for him to stay. Especially if Guarantano is the system QB he has been looking for.

 

[volatil]

I've said a few times this season that I think Butch is gone before 2018 due to a firing or leaving on his own when his reputation is still in tact as a good coach.

I am now of the belief it could be before 2017. His recruiting is a hint.

Lol Fake Feldman account on Twitter this morning was saying Butch to ND. Jr sent me the screenshot. Had me scared for a second but not biting on that again.

 

[VolinArizona]

Lol Fake account on Twitter this morning was saying Butch to ND.

Didn't even know someone tweeted anything about it. Thought of this all on my own. Hopefully you aren't insinuating something different.

 

[volatil]

Didn't even know someone tweeted anything about it. Thought of this all on my own. Hopefully you aren't insinuating something different.

No not at all. Just going along with what you said. I edited the post for fear of you taking the wrong way. You were just too quick with the response.

Sorry for the confusion

 

[VolinArizona]

No not at all. Just going along with what you said. I edited the post for fear of you taking the wrong way. You were just too quick with the response.

Sorry for the confusion

No worries, my man.

Sorry if you've already posted this, but any college offers for Jr?

 

[LA Vol]

But Hurd may not have wanted to leave with 4 games left, but he was called out on it. He refused to play, and he was hurting his team. His teammates called him out, both on and off the field. Maybe they didn't "vote" him off the team, but their displeasure forced him to act sooner. He quit on his team regardless, but it was only if he was just going to ride it out or not. Again, the timing does not seem coincidental to me. You can call it one thing, but a spade is a spade.

I wasn't arguing that he didn't quit on the team. He did exactly that. I would opine that it was less his teammates' displeasure and more his own bruised ego (with perhaps a touch of jealousy) that precipitated his hasty departure, but it may have turned out to be addition by subtraction. Next Man Up has worked just fine.

 

[McGeesPub]

Maybe I missed it, but what is your reasoning?

Based on his contract, if we fire him, UT has to pay him about $2.5M per year until 2020. If Jones leaves before Feb. 2017, he would owe UT $4M. He owes $3M if he leaves before Feb. 2018.

Based on the current status of the UT program, it hasn't been better since the mid 2000's. I can't imagine the SEC East will be significantly better next year (e.g., McElwain is recruiting like Dooley while losing most of his elite defense after this season, Smart has underachieved with an extremely talented roster, etc.). The UT roster will be very talented next year.

His recruiting has been underwhelming thus far. However, a commitment from Trey Smith makes this class look a lot better. VQ and 247 have both positively noted that the current make-up of the 2017 class will likely look different by NSD 2017. However, based on 247, the class is currently #9 nationally and #4 in the SEC. That's better than the 2016 class, which has already had several key contributors.

I probably overanalyzed a simple opinion, but I just don't see how Butch goes anywhere before 2017 and doubtfully before 2018 unless he completely tanks. I just don't see that with the state of the SEC East and the current roster.

All well and good, but that ranking is highly inflated by the number of commits we have vs. other teams who are in on more highly rated prospects.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The vols are back on cbs next week lets goooo

 

[volatil]

No worries, my man.

Sorry if you've already posted this, but any college offers for Jr?

No unfortunately long story. Thanks for asking though

 

[MockingVol]

Here are some schools who could pay enough to get him to look and will potentially have openings (for various reasons):

Baylor
Louisville
Cal
Texas Tech
Houston
Arizona
USF

ND and Oregon won't look at him, imo. But the schools above are a step down in tradition, but don't have the pressure. Butch isn't my kind of guy, so I'll just leave it at that.

So why do you dislike Butch so much? He certainly hasn't been close to perfect but he has done a ton to pull us back to respectability; I believe you need to explain yourself.

 

[unioncityvol]

Unexpected....

MORE VERNE: Tennessee-Missouri is the CBS game on Nov. 19.

#Vols will have their max allotment of five 3:30 p.m. CBS games this season. First time in … well … a while.

i heard gary on the sarzer and mcelroy morning show say next weeks game was an east one but never expected ours

 

[LynxVol]

All well and good, but that ranking is highly inflated by the number of commits we have vs. other teams who are in on more highly rated prospects.

Our class is going to be large. It's always a fluid number and guessing game, but VQ and 247 have said at least 25. Assuming we pick up a guy like Trey Smith as well as others ranked higher than the current commits they replace, I don't see our class falling out of the top 15.

 

[LA Vol]

Watch Butch and Notre Dame

Less than zero chance. ND will aim much higher.

They might give Les a look, though.

 

[Aesius]

Maybe we will just trade coaches with Arizona.

 

[McGeesPub]

All well and good, but that ranking is highly inflated by the number of commits we have vs. other teams who are in on more highly rated prospects.

Which, given the hype going into building both this class, and then the impact a winning season would have on what appeared to be a floundering class, is disappointing. Especially knowing what "only" a top 15 class gets you in the SEC.

JMO.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I feel like if the right job opens up butch is gone... what that job is who knows, but it's kind of like kiffen and USC that was kiffen's dream job. That's just my 2 cents on butch

Butch said this was his dream job when he took it...however, its hard to believe Butchspeak.

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

I guess we should have paid more attention to the legacy class twitter. They said Hurd would transfer before anyone else, and after the game Saturday, they said Berry tore his acl.

 

[LA Vol]

Yet people want to say 9-3 East champs would be disappointing lol!

Is anybody really saying this? The SCAR loss was, and always will be, disappointing, but getting to ATL will be ending the season right. We may have won ugly, but trophies trump style points.