Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVII

[InVOLuntary]

Not disagreeing with Tuttle being best d lineman or jumper being a liability.

Seniority isn't the reason why Tuttle has played behind them and it isn't why jumper plays.

Why is Jumper starting then? And, no, the cerebral aspect is not acceptable. He's such a liability that isn't worth the trade off IMO. Also, he's not immune to mental mistakes himself. The jump pass to the TE by VAT was a direct miss on his part.

 

[BruinVol]

Abernathy is ballin out this season. Wonder what they will do with Warrior. I'm still waiting to see him in action. But this is what happens when you develop depth. Our secondary is flat out scary.

Can't wait to dismantle the Gators. This defense will absolutely eat. Del Rio is a sitting duck and will be getting up from his back all day.

I think he beats out TKjr at some point. He just doesn't have the speeded needed back there IMO

 

[InVOLuntary]

Tuttle has balled out for sure, but were you mid-bong when it was discussed by the power that be (on here) that he may redshirt? They're understandably cautious and bringing him along. Starting isn't the end all be all in our DL rotation...somehow Tuttle and K-Mac were out there in important situations. :hi:

Edit: Keep your tired, chemically fossilized carcass away from my defense! :aggressive:

Let me handle the defense, you keep your attention on your grand daddy's offense. :hi:

 

[BruinVol]

Why is Jumper starting then? And, no, the cerebral aspect is not acceptable. He's such a liability that isn't worth the trade off IMO. Also, he's not immune to mental mistakes himself. The jump pass to the TE by VAT was a direct miss on his part.

Can't use the seniority argument using jumper. If that was the case Bynum would be the starter

 

[YorkVol]

While you were sleeping, they switched out the cyanide tooth for one filled with a devilish neurotoxin. It will paralyze all but your extra ocular muscle, diaphragm and heart. It won't kill you, but instead will allow you to observe the horror as it unfolds. You won't be able to to interfere. Oh, and you will not be able to control bowel or bladder, so there is also the stench of your own excrement do deal with too. (Smell doesn't use muscle at all) Truly a devil's brew...we found out too late to save you, but others have been taken out of harm's way. Godspeed sir.

:salute:

Sounds like the Diving Bell and the Butterfly

 

[butchna]

Let me handle the defense, you keep your attention on your grand daddy's offense. :hi:

Runs itself...we 're unveiling the quick kick soon! :w00t:

 

[csprig9]

Against both ok and fl last year the offense didn't help the defense out at all after halftime...yeah the d could've, should've, would've but the offense should have tried to score more

 

[BigZiti09]

Why is Jumper starting then? And, no, the cerebral aspect is not acceptable. He's such a liability that isn't worth the trade off IMO. Also, he's not immune to mental mistakes himself. The jump pass to the TE by VAT was a direct miss on his part.

Whether or not you accept it doesn't make it any less true if his cerebral advantage is why he plays over others.

The guy is a transfer walk on. Butch isn't going to defer to him because he is a junior over recruited and signed RS sophomores.

The only conceivable reason is because of the mental aspect of the game.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

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Im so happy

 

[The Breakerboy]

Against both ok and fl last year the offense didn't help the defense out at all after halftime...yeah the d could've, should've, would've but the offense should have tried to score more

Florida game the defense lost that game. The offense scored late to put the game away. I refuse to blame them for that loss. 4th and 18 for a 61 yard TD on a curl route is flat out RIDICULOUS! EFFORT is why we lost that game period.

 

[csprig9]

Florida game the defense lost that game. The offense scored late to put the game away. I refuse to blame them for that loss. 4th and 18 for a 61 yard TD on a curl route is flat out RIDICULOUS! EFFORT is why we lost that game period.

Rethinking my previous answer, I'll agree to that...and hell we did get in position to kick a game winner. It just seems like the o doesn't go for the kill shot. We don't seem like we want to run up the score when we have opportunities

 

[InVOLuntary]

Runs itself...we 're unveiling the quick kick soon! :w00t:

I vote that you have a seat next to him in the coach's box so when nods off you can poke him in the ribs.

 

[butchna]

I vote that you have a seat next to him in the coach's box so when nods off you can poke him in the ribs.

It's why they invented electric nodes...chin hits his chest and they throw the bomb to Malone.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Whether or not you accept it doesn't make it any less true if his cerebral advantage is why he plays over others.

The guy is a transfer walk on. Butch isn't going to defer to him because he is a junior over recruited and signed RS sophomores.

The only conceivable reason is because of the mental aspect of the game.

Butch has been stubborn about choosing certain players overy others from time to time. Your opinion is no more correct than mine and I'll leave it at that.

 

[InVOLuntary]

It's why they invented electric nodes...chin hits his chest and they throw the bomb to Malone.

More electric nodes then!

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

Did Bynum play MLB in the Gator Bowl? If I remember correctly and it was him, he did good in that game. What the heck happened between then and now? Did he just forget how to line everyone up? So frustrating. LWS said that some players just don't give 100 percent in practice and preparation especially for this position, they are just content to play some and get their degree. I guess tees other players just didn't want to put in the work. Hopefully they are putting in some overtime work now.

 

[BigZiti09]

Butch has been stubborn about choosing certain players overy others from time to time. Your opinion is no more correct than mine and I'll leave it at that.

That part I agree with.

I call it the "Butch Jones ideal progression" and it is maddening.

I just don't think it has to do with seniority. More about guys having to earn their spot and he also wants to be sure guys are ready to step into a greater role.

 

[justwatch123]

Warrior is a freshman so we'll see. Abernathy can still play CB and if moving him there gets our best DBs on the field next year I'm all for it. At worst Warrior starts his junior year similar to TKjr (who shouldn't have had to play behind McNeil).

Its about that time for the BB vs HG back and forth leading up to the game. I ain't seen him around here much lately.

 

[volfanCLT]

Stanford is about to get in trouble. Ncaa found that 2 boosters gave almost $4000 to a player

If you read the details, it's absolute crap what they are getting in trouble for. Ridiculous NCAA again.

 

[LaagerVol]

I believe Sanders problem here was being handcuffed by Fulmer more than him struggling on learning to be the OC. I think Cutcliffe had the freedom to run the offense the way he wanted. Don't think Sanders had earned that yet. Sanders did well at UK and now at FSU.

Right or wrong, I will always associate Randy Sanders with getting Alex Brown drafted in the first round. Why they never could figure out that they needed to help out the LT during that game is beyond me.

 

[InVOLuntary]

That part I agree with.

I call it the "Butch Jones ideal progression" and it is maddening.

I just don't think it has to do with seniority. More about guys having to earn their spot and he also wants to be sure guys are ready to step into a greater role.

By the strict definition of seniority I agree. Maybe seniority is a bad choice of words.

 

[Aesius]

Is Ohio's QB a true dual-threat guy? He ran for 116 yards last season but already has 183 this season, including 146 vs Kansas.

Was hoping Barnett would finally get a few sacks, but I doubt their OC will let the QB hang around the pocket for long.

 

[volfanCLT]

Is Ohio's QB a true dual-threat guy? He ran for 116 yards last season but already has 183 this season, including 146 vs Kansas.

Was hoping Barnett would finally get a few sacks, but I doubt their OC will let the QB hang around the pocket for long.

Yeah, he's a true DT. I think his rushing numbers were low last year because he didn't play much. Waited his turn as the 5th year Sr.

 

[therickbol]

Why is Jumper starting then? And, no, the cerebral aspect is not acceptable. He's such a liability that isn't worth the trade off IMO. Also, he's not immune to mental mistakes himself. The jump pass to the TE by VAT was a direct miss on his part.

That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. Doesn't make is true. The cerebral aspect is definitely 'acceptable' reasoning to the coaches whose jobs are on the line. They have the opinion, based on THEIR football knowledge, that it gives them the best chance to win the game. Is your opinion right, while theirs is wrong? Possible. Your opinion vs their opinion on this type of matter will 'definitely' play out in their favor more often than not.

 

[BigZiti09]

By the strict definition of seniority I agree. Maybe seniority is a bad choice of words.

I think he does defer to some guys over others sometimes for different reasons (not always seniority) and doesn't always play the best players.

• As Breaker said above, TK arguably should have logged more minutes last year.
  
• Dobbs should have played sooner and a redshirt was not a realistic option for him in 2013 or 2014 but Jones tried.
  
• Kendrick sat a lot when it seemed he earned more playing time.
  
• Any time that Jumper plays, he is playing over someone more physically capable I would think.
  
• Jack Jones was a red shirt candidate this year supposedly. What in the world?

I've tried to trust that CBJ knows what he is doing and there is a method to his madness. He knows more than I do for sure but as a fan it is frustrating. Also, fans are often right about things that coaches get wrong. We have cut down our WR rotation for one.

It seems like he should do the inevitable immediately. I don't see any way that C Jumper remains the guy at LB if DK is out until late October as it is feared. I would just pull that bandaid off now and find out who the guy is gonna be. That's just me though.