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jspvol76 said:
He did in some ways, and he didn't in others. I have posted in detail about Dobb's biggest flaw, which was moving backwards out of the pocket during pass plays. On numerous occasions, especially earlier in the year he would back up straight into DE's coming off the edge instead of stepping up into the pocket giving himself another second to make a throw. Many sacks this year were his fault and not OL's.

And to be clear, I am a huge Dobb's fan.
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And when games were close and they needed to complete a pass, several times he held the ball too long before trying to pass or scramble. Justin Worley esque.
 
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if Butch is really bringing in Rock Gullickson I think that will go a long way in reestablishing toughness, physicality and discipline through offseason workouts. That's a very good first step to fixing some issues.
 
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jspvol76 said:
He did in some ways, and he didn't in others. I have posted in detail about Dobb's biggest flaw, which was moving backwards out of the pocket during pass plays. On numerous occasions, especially earlier in the year he would back up straight into DE's coming off the edge instead of stepping up into the pocket giving himself another second to make a throw. Many sacks this year were his fault and not OL's.

And to be clear, I am a huge Dobb's fan.
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I agree with this. I think it was his instinct to bail out of trouble, but many times he had a nice pocket to step into.
 
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AV_12 said:
Dobbs' ability to break tackles from the QB position won't be matched for a long time. He was incredible at making something out of nothing with his feet, or running through tackles down field.
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JG will be a redshirt freshman, which will make a big difference and he not only can run, but can pass better than Dobbs.... after a couple of games of getting timing and chemistry down, he should be electric...
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Yeah but AK fumble problems were from still holding the ball in traffic like he would in open field
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I agree-- with all the RBs coming out for the draft this year and his butter fingers, I think it would be in his best interest to come back another year, raise his stock, work on ball security, and end the season as the #1 back to go in the draft.... :)
 
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MrVolton said:
How about a top 5:
1. If the rumors are true, Jones not completely turning over the D to Shoop; not letting him call his own shots or bring in his own guys.
2. Subpar coaching, especially on OL and DB.
3. Something is definitely up with the S & C.
4. Depth was still not where it needed to be at MLB, OT, and corner going into the season.
5. If what LWS said about Jones going soft on tackling in spring and fall camps a la Fulmer 2005 is accurate, then I believe it's certainly a factor too.
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Number 3 is it for me. This all stems around the S&C fiasco.

I know we had issues with injuries but we didn't look right day 1 with a full squad.

Butch lost this locker room when he mishandled the S&C program.
 
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volinbama256 said:
JG will be a redshirt freshman, which will make a big difference and he not only can run, but can pass better than Dobbs.... after a couple of games of getting timing and chemistry down, he should be electric...
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You don't know that. He could be worse. He could be a practice God but when game time comes he could be a turnover machine.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
if Butch is really bringing in Rock Gullickson I think that will go a long way in reestablishing toughness, physicality and discipline through offseason workouts. That's a very good first step to fixing some issues.
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This 100%

This is the best thing he can do to right the ship. And he knows it is the first thing he needs to do. It was the downfall of this team this year.

This will impact the spring. The summer. And the Fall.
 
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volinbama256 said:
JG will be a redshirt freshman, which will make a big difference and he not only can run, but can pass better than Dobbs.... after a couple of games of getting timing and chemistry down, he should be electric...
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If he can just throw the stretch routes better, it would be an improvement.
 
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AAVFL said:
You don't know that. He could be worse. He could be a practice God but when game time comes he could be a turnover machine.
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you could say that about every kid at every position on every team.... you are correct, I do not know this for a fact, but evidence I have seen watching his tape and what i have seen and read about him practicing at UT leads me to have this OPINION.... for that matter, how do you know he won't be this good? We have all seen Dormady cannot run like Dobbs and lately tends to throw off his back foot, which is not a good thing.... these and Sheriron are our options.... who knows, SJ may beat out everyone...
 
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Not ready like some to draw conclusions about next year with CBJ as HC. The next 8 weeks will be a better indicator (bowl prep and performance, new S & C coach, new assistants/coordinator chosen, recruiting, etc.).

However, IMO, the most important next step is the AD hire. Until this is done, there will be to much instability around the program.
 
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jspvol76 said:
He did in some ways, and he didn't in others. I have posted in detail about Dobb's biggest flaw, which was moving backwards out of the pocket during pass plays. On numerous occasions, especially earlier in the year he would back up straight into DE's coming off the edge instead of stepping up into the pocket giving himself another second to make a throw. Many sacks this year were his fault and not OL's.

And to be clear, I am a huge Dobb's fan.
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I agree. Give and take, but IMO, he still made them look good most of the time. We will see
 
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volinbama256 said:
you could say that about every kid at every position on every team.... you are correct, I do not know this for a fact, but evidence I have seen watching his tape and what i have seen and read about him practicing at UT leads me to have this OPINION.... for that matter, how do you know he won't be this good? We have all seen Dormady cannot run like Dobbs and lately tends to throw off his back foot, which is not a good thing.... these and Sheriron are our options.... who knows, SJ may beat out everyone...
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Yes but your statement was claiming that JG would be better than Dobbs. I for one hope he is but to say he will be is stretching it. Let's see how he plays first then we can start comparing. Dobbs has def won games by how good he is but also contributed to our losses by bad play and turnovers. Can't deny Dobbs has been one of the best qbs we have had since iceman.
 
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AAVFL said:
Yes but your statement was claiming that JG would be better than Dobbs. I for one hope he is but to say he will be is stretching it. Let's see how he plays first then we can start comparing. Dobbs has def won games by how good he is but also contributed to our losses by bad play and turnovers. Can't deny Dobbs has been one of the best qbs we have had since iceman.
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No doubt and loved me some iceman... wonder if he is available as a QB coach? I'd hire him...
 
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vol2002 said:
Nick, I don't think he fixes any of them. He's lost control of the narrative - everything is pushing against him now and every misstep will be magnified. There aren't many human beings that can be successful in the cesspool of scrutiny and vilification he will face over the next twelve months. I think it will do him in and we'll be lucky to make a bowl game next year, regardless of who is playing for us.

I base this on my experience of watching the same thing happen to Derek Dooley, Charlie Strong, and numerous other coaches in recent years. Once the tide turns against you, there's not much you can do.

I fully expect to be watching a press conference of his after our seventh loss next season where he has the same ashen face that Dooley and Strong had when they knew the final nail was in the coffin and they were being peppered with questions about their job.

it's coming.
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Remind me to never go to war with you! You can't wait until it begins to happen, if it happens, before going to all the gloom and doom?

There is a possibility he hires the right people to develop players, the S&C is greatly improved, our new QB plays light out and we win 9 or 10 games.
 
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IMO Butch should be given one more year to fix the problems. I don't think it would look good for trying to hire another coach down the road. He brought us back from the Hamilton era. Butch was 5th or 6th or maybe lower choice. Nobody wanted to come here with our roster in the shape it was in. Our record is t the best it's been since 2006/2007, this year was disappointing and if we fired him, it would look like one bad year and you're gone. Butch has to learn from his mistakes and fix them. I think he will try and we'll see if he can.
 
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volinbama256 said:
No doubt and loved me some iceman... wonder if he is available as a QB coach? I'd hire him...
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He was coaching high school ball in California last I heard. Would be interesting. But given how important this year is as far as where the direction of the program will go i would want to see some very successful, proven coaches that can recruit
 
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