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SpringBokVol said:
The Haney article is spot on.

I know he used credible sources and I know who some of them were.

He sat down with the UT PR dept and gave them opportunities to respond, clarify, fact check and they dropped the ball.

Haney is not a hack journalist no matter what some of you want to believe.
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He may not be a hack journalist overall, but the drivel he put out today was pitiful and he, his editor and 24/7sports should be highly embarrassed by it.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
This article was ready to go for today on the heels of the Trey Smith announcement which they no doubt were hoping wouldn't go our way in order to generate more heat.
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Not true.

The opposite is actually true.

He sat on it for over a week checking and verifying comments with the UT AD.
 
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Aesius said:
Verifying what? Hearsay from unnamed sources? There are no facts presented in that article. It's all speculation and gossip.
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You realize it isn't hearsay when it is told directly to you, right?

And he was verifying what he was told with other people to weed out the gossip and misinformation which there was plenty.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Not true.

The opposite is actually true.

He sat on it for over a week checking and verifying comments with the UT AD.
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Okay then why not actually make reference the the Trey Smith commitment which happened yesterday afternoon? He had plenty of time to work it in. If the program is truly "trending the wrong way" why are top rated 5* athletes committing to it?

There was no intention from Haney to write an unbiased piece. He knew he wanted to write a hit piece, he wrote it, attributed much of it to unnamed "sources" and then printed it... Probably thinking that the vitriol spewing fans still manic from the Vandy loss would hold him up as some sort of alt-Vol leader.

It's good to see that by and large sanity has prevailed and 247 is taking a lot of heat for this garbage. There is a lot of competition in the Vol media market and they won't be able to afford much attrition.
 
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All you smart guys are so ready willing and able to point out what's so obviously wrong with the program when the more interesting question is whether it will be fixed and that will only be revealed as it plays out. I for one am going to enjoy watching and hope it does. No way to know whether it's a foregone conclusion.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
The Haney article is spot on.

I know he used credible sources and I know who some of them were.

He sat down with the UT PR dept and gave them opportunities to respond, clarify, fact check and they dropped the ball.

Haney is not a hack journalist no matter what some of you want to believe.
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I worked with Travis briefly at the Beacon. He was a professional back then, and I assume he is now. I'm not sure if I will read the piece, but my instinct if so will be that it is good faith journalism.
 
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Aesius said:
Verifying what? Hearsay from unnamed sources? There are no facts presented in that article. It's all speculation and gossip.
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Agree. Quotes were opinions. The only thing for the UT AD was to respond to them, not "verify" them. UT AD apparently didn't think it deserved a response.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
The Haney article is spot on.

I know he used credible sources and I know who some of them were.

He sat down with the UT PR dept and gave them opportunities to respond, clarify, fact check and they dropped the ball.

Haney is not a hack journalist no matter what some of you want to believe.
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Then don't be a coward and put the name to the quotes… End of story!
 
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VolGee4 said:
Then he could have waited a few more days. They knew Trey Smith was a huge national story.
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It still is. Huge momentum shift in recruiting.

Some (or all) of it may be true but the only people paying attention to that Haney story are UT fans. If Butch takes care of business and turns things around, nobody will remember this story was even written.
 
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McGeesPub said:
It doesn't exactly work that way. If a source doesn't want to be named, Haney isn't going to burn them.
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He wasn't even quoting facts from sources, he was quoting opinions and speculation from anonymous people that "work inside the football facility" or are "close the program" or were simply labeled "sources."

Honestly, the article is an embarrassment to UT's JEM program. I knew a lot of folks that majored in JEM while I was at UT and they were all really bright. I have no doubt that Haney is bright too, but this was tabloid journalism and unbecoming of a UT grad.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
He wasn't even quoting facts from sources, he was quoting opinions and speculation from anonymous people that "work inside the football facility" or are "close the program" or were simply labeled "sources."

Honestly, the article is an embarrassment to UT's JEM program. I knew a lot of folks that majored in JEM while I was at UT and they were all really bright. I have no doubt that Haney is bright too, but this was tabloid journalism and unbecoming of a UT grad.
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"a college football source"

Damn, that could be anybody.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
He wasn't even quoting facts from sources, he was quoting opinions and speculation from anonymous people that "work inside the football facility" or are "close the program" or were simply labeled "sources."

Honestly, the article is an embarrassment to UT's JEM program. I knew a lot of folks that majored in JEM while I was at UT and they were all really bright. I have no doubt that Haney is bright too, but this was tabloid journalism and unbecoming of a UT grad.
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Don't be naive. Quotes in news stories are going to be opinions a lot, if not most of the time. That's the point of a quote.

"The Vols finished 8-4 this year," said Director of Athletics Dave Hart. That's a fact, and also a line you'd never read by a paid journalist.

It's the same thing as calling someone out for posting an opinion on this forum. Every post is pretty much an opinion, just like every quote in a piece is going to be the quotee's impression or opinion of something.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Don't be naive. Quotes in news stories are going to be opinions a lot, if not most of the time. That's the point of a quote.

"The Vols finished 8-4 this year," said Director of Athletics Dave Hart. That's a fact, and also a line you'd never read by a paid journalist.

It's the same thing as calling someone out for posting an opinion on this forum. Every post is pretty much an opinion, just like every quote in a piece is going to be the quotee's impression or opinion of something.
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You said you hadn't read the article yet, correct? Let me give you a little flavor of the nonsense we are talking about here:

"During a recent visit, a college football source said it appeared as if everyone in the building was in the dumps.

“I think that place can be so great. I really do.” he said. “But it just looked like everyone there had been punched right in the face. It was bad.”

I have no problem with the part of the article where he quotes sources saying there will be staff changes or things actually related to facts pertinent to the program, but the quote above is just a clear example of garbage, tabloid level nonsense.
 
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