Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

[jakez4ut]

Has to be. He said that we were going to get smoked by our rivals. Why in the world would he think that we're going to get smoked by Florida and GA?

CBJ. he's a non believer at this point, given the results of the past two years. he, and a few others that were fairly high on us in 15 and 16 have backed way off their "belief". booger mcfarland comes to mind as well.

in their line of work, better to be right...gotta have some credibility after all, so now they're hedging their bet and attempting not to make the same mistake twice. they'll fall in with the crowd and pick GA and Bama, or FL and Bama, and look like they know what they're talking about again....lol.

i get it. don't really like it, but i get it. in the end, doesn't really matter.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

he was all in on TN the last two years, and got burnt. he's not going to dip his toes in the water on us anymore. he took a lot of crap from his BR cohorts in 15 and 16 for his "all in" approach on TN.

i chalk it up to butthurt.:thumbsup:

If he thinks UT is going to get smoked by our rivals this season then UT is about to make him look silly for the 3rd year in a row.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

If he thinks UT is going to get smoked by our rivals this season then UT is about to make him look silly for the 3rd year in a row.

i love all the disrespect. I mean honestly these guys are never really right on with anything. we know more about our team than these national guys who couldnt name 10 players on the roster. we are better in this position usually and i dont expect that to change. Alot of these guys truly dont know much ab our team right now so they automatically assume we are going to be garbage. I just dont see it that way. I mean this guy has Butch getting fired before the end of the regular season so of course he says we will get smoked. He has to stick with that. More than likely he will be wrong as usual. I literally havent seen a positive article out there yet and i think thats good bc if it was that easy to predict more ppl would get it right every yr. They run with the low hanging fruit always.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Barrett has gone nuts. He's talking about us as if we have nothing on the roster and Florida as if they are loaded. But TN has out recruited Florida in the past several years 🤔

I need to email him my raw #s I researched yesterday.

 

[jakez4ut]

If he thinks UT is going to get smoked by our rivals this season then UT is about to make him look silly for the 3rd year in a row.

i'm good with that...

 

[jakez4ut]

i love all the disrespect. I mean honestly these guys are never really right on with anything. we know more about our team than these national guys who couldnt name 10 players on the roster. we are better in this position usually and i dont expect that to change. Alot of these guys truly dont know much ab our team right now so they automatically assume we are going to be garbage. I just dont see it that way. I mean this guy has Butch getting fired before the end of the regular season so of course he says we will get smoked. He has to stick with that. More than likely he will be wrong as usual. I literally havent seen a positive article out there yet and i think thats good bc if it was that easy to predict more ppl would get it right every yr. They run with the low hanging fruit always.

while i agree with you, i also hate that about us. we've always seemed to be a program that did well when our back was against the wall...us against the world type mentality.

rarely have we handled being on top of the hill well. i'd of liked to seen last year's team take all that hype, and come out and play like they deserved it.

that said, i do think this team will rally around the disrespect card, and play with something to prove.

 

[volinbama256]

while i agree with you, i also hate that about us. we've always seemed to be a program that did well when our back was against the wall...us against the world type mentality.

rarely have we handled being on top of the hill well. i'd of liked to seen last year's team take all that hype, and come out and play like they deserved it.

that said, i do think this team will rally around the disrespect card, and play with something to prove.

while I will say still that there was no excuse for us losing to SC and Vandy with the comparable talent we had on our roster against theirs, (I put a lot of that on the coaches for not putting our players in the right position to win and maximizing the talent we had left on the roster... this was the second half of the season and they should know what specific players can do and not do), I will say it pisses me off how these sports analysts just fall back on stats and losses and not take into consideration the huge amount of game changing injuries we sustained last season... I don't know of many programs last year that would have continued to meet expectations with that amount of starters and second string out... All we can do now is lock and load and prove them wrong.... GBO!

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

while i agree with you, i also hate that about us. we've always seemed to be a program that did well when our back was against the wall...us against the world type mentality.

rarely have we handled being on top of the hill well. i'd of liked to seen last year's team take all that hype, and come out and play like they deserved it.

that said, i do think this team will rally around the disrespect card, and play with something to prove.

Last years team would have won 11 games without the epic injury plague. It may have been a little ugly, but it wouldn't have been the disaster it turned out to be.

 

[jakez4ut]

while I will say still that there was no excuse for us losing to SC and Vandy with the comparable talent we had on our roster against theirs, (I put a lot of that on the coaches for not putting our players in the right position to win and maximizing the talent we had left on the roster... this was the second half of the season and they should know what specific players can do and not do), I will say it pisses me off how these sports analysts just fall back on stats and losses and not take into consideration the huge amount of game changing injuries we sustained last season... I don't know of many programs last year that would have continued to meet expectations with that amount of starters and second string out... All we can do now is lock and load and prove them wrong.... GBO!

don't disagree. the how's and why's of the injuries, that's a different discussion, but there's little doubt that they in and of themselves, were a big reason the defense struggled...mightily.

as to the issue of what the players can/can't do...i also agree, but i think with the way the two deep changed, week to week, i think we had major issues with communication, and evaluation. when you're down to the 4th man in some cases...you really don't know what that guy is capable of much less how he's going to react or more importantly interact with the other guys on the field...couple that with the fact that we had multiple positions facing that same problem....recipie for disaster, and we got it just right.

iirc, i think we started 6 or 7 different combinations in the secondary last year? anyway, all that to say, i agree...it was ugly.

 

[jakez4ut]

Last years team would have won 11 games without the epic injury plague. It may have been a little ugly, but it wouldn't have been the disaster it turned out to be.

11 was certainly on the table at one point....

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

11 was certainly on the table at one point....

Wonder what bowl we would have gotten if we had just lost to Bama a little less ugly in the regular season, and then taken them to the mats in the SEC title game? I guess it probably would have still been the Sugar...ahhh what could have been.

 

[The Breakerboy]

You have consistently shown that you're about 50/50 on your projections, at best. Pretty much no one else cares who the players are that lead us to success except you and D4H "expect JG to own the starting job". So, I reiterate the consensus of the board, whoever helps us win, whether that be QD or JG, I hope they crush. If you would please let go of your racial bias, it would make the world a better place. Many have said QD has equal, or better, mobility than JG, yet you continue to push this narrative that JG has the advantage. Please just stop. QD has proven, thus far, that he has a better arm, more mobility and a stronger grasp of the offense than JG. If JG proves to be the better player this year, that is awesome, I am behind him 100%, but at this point QD seems to be better. Just let it go man.

He's proven nothing or they wouldn't be neck and neck. Him being more mobile is hilarious and having a better arm after a QB guru touted JG's arm is hilarious. It's racially charged too right? So why wasn't I picking Sheriron Jones over #12? This is what's funny, I prefer a QB that's a true dual threat. There are a lot of old school fans that like these pocket guys like #12. Can I knock them for who they like? No I can not. But we aren't beating Alabama with a one dimensional QB at all. They don't lose to guys that can't hurt them with their feet. That's been proven year after year. If you think #12 is mobile enough fine we'll watch this play out in October.

And what I think is funny is other posts openly admitted they are rooting for #12 to win the job. I wonder why is that? Me personally I put it as they are rooting for the guy they like. Not racially biased at all. People like the players they like and dislike who they don't like. It is what it is. And just because a kid starts for Tennessee doesn't mean I have to like him and hope he balls out at the position. Nobody wants Jumper starting at LB. There isn't an issue with that. Well I don't want #12 starting. Same thing, take your racially bias allegations to someone else. I don't like the kid as a QB.....

 

[MrVolton]

He's proven nothing or they wouldn't be neck and neck. Him being more mobile is hilarious and having a better arm after a QB guru touted JG's arm is hilarious. It's racially charged too right? So why wasn't I picking Sheriron Jones over #12? This is what's funny, I prefer a QB that's a true dual threat. There are a lot of old school fans that like these pocket guys like #12. Can I knock them for who they like? No I can not. But we aren't beating Alabama with a one dimensional QB at all. They don't lose to guys that can't hurt them with their feet. That's been proven year after year. If you think #12 is mobile enough fine we'll watch this play out in October.

And what I think is funny is other posts openly admitted they are rooting for #12 to win the job. I wonder why is that? Me personally I put it as they are rooting for the guy they like. Not racially biased at all. People like the players they like and dislike who they don't like. It is what it is. And just because a kid starts for Tennessee doesn't mean I have to like him and hope he balls out at the position. Nobody wants Jumper starting at LB. There isn't an issue with that. Well I don't want #12 starting. Same thing, take your racially bias allegations to someone else. I don't like the kid as a QB.....

Got to agree about Bama. I haven't looked up any definite numbers, but I'd bet something like 85% of Saban's losses at Bama have come vs. a mobile QB.

 

[volinexile17]

He's proven nothing or they wouldn't be neck and neck. Him being more mobile is hilarious and having a better arm after a QB guru touted JG's arm is hilarious. It's racially charged too right? So why wasn't I picking Sheriron Jones over #12? This is what's funny, I prefer a QB that's a true dual threat. There are a lot of old school fans that like these pocket guys like #12. Can I knock them for who they like? No I can not. But we aren't beating Alabama with a one dimensional QB at all. They don't lose to guys that can't hurt them with their feet. That's been proven year after year. If you think #12 is mobile enough fine we'll watch this play out in October.

And what I think is funny is other posts openly admitted they are rooting for #12 to win the job. I wonder why is that? Me personally I put it as they are rooting for the guy they like. Not racially biased at all. People like the players they like and dislike who they don't like. It is what it is. And just because a kid starts for Tennessee doesn't mean I have to like him and hope he balls out at the position. Nobody wants Jumper starting at LB. There isn't an issue with that. Well I don't want #12 starting. Same thing, take your racially bias allegations to someone else. I don't like the kid as a QB.....

Cardale Jones

 

[jakez4ut]

Wonder what bowl we would have gotten if we had just lost to Bama a little less ugly in the regular season, and then taken them to the mats in the SEC title game? I guess it probably would have still been the Sugar...ahhh what could have been.

going strictly from memory, if the rest of the season in the conf plays out like it did, and we finish with 11-2 record losing to Bama twice, we'd of definitely been the next highest ranked SEC team and gone to NO over i think Auburn....who would have been 3rd highest ranked team left...

 

[MockingVol]

He's proven nothing or they wouldn't be neck and neck. Him being more mobile is hilarious and having a better arm after a QB guru touted JG's arm is hilarious. It's racially charged too right? So why wasn't I picking Sheriron Jones over #12? This is what's funny, I prefer a QB that's a true dual threat. There are a lot of old school fans that like these pocket guys like #12. Can I knock them for who they like? No I can not. But we aren't beating Alabama with a one dimensional QB at all. They don't lose to guys that can't hurt them with their feet. That's been proven year after year. If you think #12 is mobile enough fine we'll watch this play out in October.

And what I think is funny is other posts openly admitted they are rooting for #12 to win the job. I wonder why is that? Me personally I put it as they are rooting for the guy they like. Not racially biased at all. People like the players they like and dislike who they don't like. It is what it is. And just because a kid starts for Tennessee doesn't mean I have to like him and hope he balls out at the position. Nobody wants Jumper starting at LB. There isn't an issue with that. Well I don't want #12 starting. Same thing, take your racially bias allegations to someone else. I don't like the kid as a QB.....

BB... Guarantano isn't a true duel threat either. If you expecting him to run like Dobbs then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[jakez4ut]

Got to agree about Bama. I haven't looked up any definite numbers, but I'd bet something like 85% of Saban's losses at Bama have come vs. a mobile QB.

in the last 5ish years it's taken acts of God to beat Bama in the SEC. the kick 6, both Ole Miss losses were on flukes, never to be repeated in those seasons. even the aTm loss a few years ago was solely due to the miracles johnny football threw up and were answered.

there's been exactly two teams line up and beat Bama...Clemson and Ohio State. you can throw OU in there as well, but playing devil's advocate, Bama had higher sights than the sugar bowl that year....and fell victim to the "the team that wants to be here more" adage...if you believe that kinda stuff.

 

[Catbone]

Yep. You have to have both elite talent and have a bit of luck to beat Bama.

 

[jakez4ut]

BB... Guarantano isn't a true duel threat either. If you expecting him to run like Dobbs then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

this. i think both qb's have a real chance at being very good. i think QD is a little ahead of JG right now from a "running the offense" standpoint. communication wise, command wise, understanding the why's and how's given a formation and defensive look. identifying match ups etc...

lean to QD today in all those categories. but i don't expect it to be long before that gap closes.

athletically, they're about the same....i don't think JG is anything like Dobbs from a physical standpoint, and i don't think QD gets enough credit athletically.

while both are still unproven, i'm really excited about our qb situation.

we have a good problem here. not sure why there's as many, and there really aren't a ton, polarizing opinions on the QB situation.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Cardale Jones

Wasn't he running over Landon Collins for some reason?

 

[The Breakerboy]

BB... Guarantano isn't a true duel threat either. If you expecting him to run like Dobbs then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Running like Dobbs is one thing. But unless him running on his HS highlights is another person he's mobile. And he was making plays with his legs early in Spring ball. The dude is mobile I don't know why you all think he's not.....

 

[The Breakerboy]

in the last 5ish years it's taken acts of God to beat Bama in the SEC. the kick 6, both Ole Miss losses were on flukes, never to be repeated in those seasons. even the aTm loss a few years ago was solely due to the miracles johnny football threw up and were answered.

there's been exactly two teams line up and beat Bama...Clemson and Ohio State. you can throw OU in there as well, but playing devil's advocate, Bama had higher sights than the sugar bowl that year....and fell victim to the "the team that wants to be here more" adage...if you believe that kinda stuff.

Nah Ohio State was a better team period. They didn't overlook a thing.

OU QB Knight is a proven dual threat.

Clemson had a dual-threat in Watson.

Ole Miss winning two in a row and dropping 40 on Bama last year isn't a fluke. People need to give them credit for exposing the weakness of that defense. Had Kelly had any sense they would've won last year. They also gave up a STs TD as well while losing by 6.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

My only fear if JG wins the job is that QD will transfer (he will, no doubt) and then if JG gets hurt which he has a history of doing, we're trotting freshman Will McBride out there. That's a quick way to a bad season. Regardless if we believe McBride has potential, he's not ready to play in the SEC. I'd feel less concerned if Dormady won the job this year, he a good year like Mitch Trubisky and got drafted, and then JG takes over next year when Penix and Martinez are here to go along with McBride as back ups. I mean, if JG is truly better, let's go, but let's pray he doesn't get hurt

 

[The Breakerboy]

this. i think both qb's have a real chance at being very good. i think QD is a little ahead of JG right now from a "running the offense" standpoint. communication wise, command wise, understanding the why's and how's given a formation and defensive look. identifying match ups etc...

lean to QD today in all those categories. but i don't expect it to be long before that gap closes.

athletically, they're about the same....i don't think JG is anything like Dobbs from a physical standpoint, and i don't think QD gets enough credit athletically.

while both are still unproven, i'm really excited about our qb situation.

we have a good problem here. not sure why there's as many, and there really aren't a ton, polarizing opinions on the QB situation.

Unless he's so much faster from his first two years until now then #12 isn't fast at all. Small school and slow defenses were running him down in garbage time.

 

[The Breakerboy]

My only fear if JG wins the job is that QD will transfer (he will, no doubt) and then if JG gets hurt which he has a history of doing, we're trotting freshman Will McBride out there. That's a quick way to a bad season. Regardless if we believe McBride has potential, he's not ready to play in the SEC. I'd feel less concerned if Dormady won the job this year, he a good year like Mitch Trubisky and got drafted, and then JG takes over next year when Penix and Martinez are here to go along with McBride as back ups. I mean, if JG is truly better, let's go, but let's pray he doesn't get hurt

Let him transfer if that's what he wants. If #12 wins and JG transfers then what? Same thing right, if either transfers from not being the starter then it is what it is.