Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

[Aesius]

The Vols need more unabashed homers in the media. Every other powerhouse SEC football team has them. It's our luck that the most prominent SEC media member is a UT grad and a Bama/Saban homer.

 

[snowvols]

The Vols need more unabashed homers in the media. Every other powerhouse SEC football team has them. It's our luck that the most prominent SEC media member is a UT grad and a Bama/Saban homer.

In Atlanta the AJC has Dawgnation which never has anything negative to say. It is supposed to be enjoyable for UGA fans to read. The main columnists for the AJC like Mark Bradley, even when he is criticizing UGA, will talk about the positive things in relation.

 

[volatil]

Ask Otey and Knox if they're going to TN. Go ahead, Do it. Do it. :rock:

Already been threatened by Jr 😂. He's afraid I'm going to embarrass him.


Litaker not having a good day. Very average looking right now. Man lined up in front of him holding his own and DL outweighed him by at least 50 lbs.

 

[Rishvol]

Ask Otey and Knox if they're going to TN. Go ahead, Do it. Do it. :rock:

I'm sure he has a few Washingtons to convince the to take another visit

 

[volatil]

CR running at Litaker

 

[The Breakerboy]

Hard for me to believe this but he said Gators no longer recruiting.

What happened there??? Kid grew up a Florida fan and now hates them (allegedly). Granted Urb was the coach of UF when he was a fan.

I'm not an Otey fan as of right now. Stays back and doesn't come up in run support. Looked to avoid contact. I want to see him more. Might have been an off day for him but I'm not sold yet.

Younger guy wait on him to develop. Miliner for Bama wouldn't tackle in HS.

 

[LaagerVol]

Dormady had 4 rushes for 6 yards against North Texas that same season. Dobbs 4 for 3 yards. Prolly more athletic linemen. Do you account for the fact that Western Carolina was TRUE FRESHMAN Dormady's first career appearance? Maybe a little tentative? Still threw 6-8 for 93 yards and a touchdown. We should all be as slow.

Obviously Dormady will never be Dobbs but he doesn't have to be on that level for the offense to be successful imo. Just the threat that he WILL run, just enough to keep the DE honest, make him hesitate, is enough to help the run game. I think that was the problem when Worley was here. He NEVER kept it, probably because he was told not to because we couldn't afford to get him hurt.

Dormady will not make that part of the offense as effective as Dobbs did, but if he pulls it enough, the threat will help.

 

[volatil]

Knox and Otey sporting a black arm band with "I will give my all for Tennessee today"

 

[The Breakerboy]

Obviously Dormady will never be Dobbs but he doesn't have to be on that level for the offense to be successful imo. Just the threat that he WILL run, just enough to keep the DE honest, make him hesitate, is enough to help the run game. I think that was the problem when Worley was here. He NEVER kept it, probably because he was told not to because we couldn't afford to get him hurt.

Dormady will not make that part of the offense as effective as Dobbs did, but if he pulls it enough, the threat will help.

If I was a DC he'd have to keep every read option. No way I'd honor him as a threat.....

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Knox and Otey sporting a black arm band with "I will give my all for Tennessee today"

My, My, My

 

[LaagerVol]

Well as I said, yes he was a freshman, but when he broke to the outside trying to run after pocket collapsed he was caught from behind by a DT. His arm tho is incredible, and, as I said, he may be the best QB in the SEC day one if he can read defenses and take care of the football. He has an NFL arm imo. But he is not mobile at all, unless he's improved that speed. He may pick up a few yards if the pocket collapses but this isn't a guy that defenses will have to be concerned about running the ball.

On third and short the D has to be concerned. He doesn't have to be able to run for a 50 yard TD to help the run game. Just take what the D is giving him. If he can pick up 5 yards, pick up first downs, when the D sells out on the RB, that's all we need.

 

[volatil]

Riverdale is sorry.

CR 21-0

No defense

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

On third and short the D has to be concerned. He doesn't have to be able to run for a 50 yard TD to help the run game. Just take what the D is giving him. If he can pick up 5 yards, pick up first downs, when the D sells out on the RB, that's all we need.

Sure

 

[LaagerVol]

I disagree. You can't run the zone read with a qb who isn't a threat. No matter how good the RB and OL are. UF in 2013 was a perfect example. We had that great OL but couldn't move the ball at all. We put up good rushing numbers that year, but not against any of the good defenses. Sure we can out talent the non P5 teams and we did do well against UGA with Worley, but that was the lone exception of our offense working well against a decent team while we ran the read option with Worley.

Wasn't really a read option with Worley bc there was no option. Worley never kept it and everyone knew that.

 

[jave36]

Wasn't really a read option with Worley bc there was no option. Worley never kept it and everyone knew that.

Well that was my point. It was a read option offense that was mostly ineffective because the qb never kept it. On the rare occasion that he did, you could see the DE and LB freeze for the next few plays.

 

[LaagerVol]

If I was a DC he'd have to keep every read option. No way I'd honor him as a threat.....

Agree, so we can march down the field 4-5 yards at a time on him either keeping it or passing it when you sell out on the RB. Again, not the best scenario, but the offense isn't dead in the water as long as there is an actual option.

 

[BigZiti09]

Wasn't really a read option with Worley bc there was no option. Worley never kept it and everyone knew that.

Florida 2014 infuriated me like no other game in my life to that point.

 

[volatil]

Ok Litaker just got pissed.

Destroyed the line sacked QB and fumble!

Finally

 

[jave36]

Agree, so we can march down the field 4-5 yards at a time on him either keeping it or passing it when you sell out on the RB. Again, not the best scenario, but the offense isn't dead in the water as long as there is an actual option.

It's not a guarantee that a slow qb will always get yards even if the D keys on the RB and encourages the qb to keep it. If it were that simple and mathematical we'd be 75-0 under Butch.

 

[Bigworm87]

247 has created a workplace of negativity it seems to me.

Callahan has always kinda been a pessimistic dude but not really negative.

It seems to me like Ramey and Brown have become more annoying since they went over to 247. I thought Brice was becoming somewhat of a pot stirrer before he left. Wes just plain sucks and always has.

I believe behind closed doors that Brice was deviating from the narrative that 247 wants to put out there. I do think Brice wants to put actual facts out there and 247 just wants their writers to regurgitate the same things over and over.
I think honestly after the Haney incident Butch or someone black balled 247. Think it's a coincidence that VQ has all the recruitment videos and break most of the stories?

My theory on Brice now is that he still has some connections up there, obviously. However, I think Butch had a vendetta for 247 guys and "sources" Now, Brice isn't working for the vol network anymore.

I've felt for about 2 to 3 months now, after watching Brice interact with all of those other turds on twitter feeding into their narrative (kress), that he has some sort of bone to pick with someone.

Tbh, I like Brice and it could all be from health issues and wanting to move on. Just seems a little sketchy the way things went, and continue to go down.

 

[BJHSVol]

1) what other qbs who werent mobile have successfully run the read option offense for an extended period?

2) look at a broader sample size. In games when Dobbs hardly kept the ball, look how our offense struggled. And look how it changed the instant Dobbs started keeping the ball. Having a running threat at QB in this offense is absolutely essential to sustain offensive success throughout a game and throughout a season. Even in those games you cited, look how bad our offense was except for UGA. Citing rushing stats doesn't tell the whole story in a blowout loss against Oregon, and our offense was pretty bad against USC despite the rushing yards.

You're oversimplifying it by saying the offense doesn't need a mobile qb because we had decent rushing yards in those games. And it took us 40 attempts to get those yards against USC. That's not productive, successful offense that's capable of winning championships, and my point is that this offense can't take us to that level without a mobile qb. Dormady can take us to that level, but not with a zone read. Imo

Sean white at Auburn isn't exactly a burner and they haven't had any issues running it the past 2 years

 

[butchna]

Obviously Dormady will never be Dobbs but he doesn't have to be on that level for the offense to be successful imo. Just the threat that he WILL run, just enough to keep the DE honest, make him hesitate, is enough to help the run game. I think that was the problem when Worley was here. He NEVER kept it, probably because he was told not to because we couldn't afford to get him hurt.

Dormady will not make that part of the offense as effective as Dobbs did, but if he pulls it enough, the threat will help.

Texas helped to bring this zone read into more popularity by winning a NC with Vince Young. Truth was it was a jerry-rigged version tailored to his particular strengths...which didn't include a sophisticated passing game. He was an effective dual-threat due to his athleticism, but it was as much a true zone read as the Triangle Offense was in it's pure concept with Michael Jordan. Colt McCoy actually ran it as it was drawn up with amazing effectiveness. Vince almost singlehandedly toppling a powerhouse USC dynasty trumped Colt getting screwed out of one NC appearance by the Big 12 and getting knocked out of the other by Bama. Gifted athlete but limited passer became the face of an offense. inch: Dormady is at least as mobile as fellow small town Texas product McCoy.

 

[jave36]

Sean white at Auburn isn't exactly a burner and they haven't had any issues running it the past 2 years

He's pretty fast actually. But I wouldn't use their offensive production lately as Exhibit A of a successful zone read offense.

 

[jave36]

Just heard Hand from Bama never drove the car drunk, just turned the ac on and was trying to sleep off his buzz because he didn't want to drive drunk.

If true I'm all in for his defense. That's the most BS law in history, that someone being responsible and NOT driving drunk gets punished the same as someone who selfishly drove anyway.

 

[Rishvol]

Lotta people in this thread disrespecting John Jelly