Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I hope that is what it means. I hope it's just because QD is a NFL talent, and not because JG is a very flawed player.

This is obvious. Quinten Dormady is an NFL QB. And if we have the season I expect, he could find himself going in the first round.

 

[Smokey123]

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[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lol. A natty?

This is where you always go wrong. Your expectations are all out of whack. We didn't have national championship talent last year and we don't this year.

We need to get to 9-3 and make it to Atlanta.

A natty? Lol.

Recruiting rankings say otherwise. They say that the 2016 and 2017 Vols are as talented on paper as the 2015 and 2016 Clemson Tigers. So it's false for you to say we didn't have the talent to win the national championship last year or that we don't have the talent to win it this year.

We have the 8th most talented roster in college football. We clearly have the talent to win a national championship.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Lol Who said I was stuck doing anything?

On top of that why in hell are these guys at Tennessee? Are they not here to win a natty? Are you developing a national championship level program or not? This is Year 5. The roster is loaded and needs a trigger man. The Lines in particular(especially the O-line) shouldn't be dominated by a team in the country. And our schedule has two tough games on it(Bama and LSU). The East should be FOOD. But coaching and QB play will be the key.

And FTR I'm currently working with college guys but I thought I was on a message board to discuss my opinions on Tennessee Football not taking personal shots. But I forgot how this crowd gets when you talk about winning a championship at Tennessee.

I guess other teams on our schedule don't have issues either but cool. 😎😎😎😎

I was in the #FreeRiley camp back in the day. We had some fun with that. I still follow Riley. As a matter of fact I was just checking in on his fall camp and there was a debate going on about if Riley and Paxton Lynch were both Redshirt Freshmen and there was no starter above them which one would you want to start? I was actually a bit surprised that they would even be having that sort of discussion since Lynch was supposedly the Tigers GOAT. There was one poster who made a comment that I thought was really interesting.

RE: If Paxton and Riley were both redshirt freshmen....

Either way we'd be set at QB.

I just thought that was cool and probably represents the sentiment of 99.99% of Vols Fans regarding our current situation at QB. If one stumbles we got another - sort of thing. I like it.

P.S. We #FreeRiley'ers ended up rolling with Josh Dobbs. It's the way that sort of thing works - for 99.99% of us.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Doug Matthews has been effusive in his praise of Ignont. Said he will show up early and often on special teams.

I'm starting to think the "5 star hearts" class was way underrated. And maybe they have a chip on their shoulder since the media has implicitly been bashing them so much in their bashing of butch for that quote.

Agreed this class looks as good as any class we've had under Butch. So far I like the following guys to develop into players:

RB Tim Jordan
RB Ty Chandler
WR Josh Palmer
WR Jordan Murphy
OL Trey Smith
OL Riley Locklear
DE Ryan Thaxton
DL Matthew Butler
LB Will Ignont
CB Cheyenne Labruzza
CB Shawn Shamburger
S Theo Jackson
S Maleik Gray

That's 13 quality players from a class. Really good haul IMO.

 

[scvolfan7]

Agreed this class looks as good as any class we've had under Butch. So far I like the following guys to develop into players:

RB Tim Jordan
RB Ty Chandler
WR Josh Palmer
WR Jordan Murphy
OL Trey Smith
OL Riley Locklear
DE Ryan Thaxton
DL Matthew Butler
LB Will Ignont
CB Cheyenne Labruzza
CB Shawn Shamburger
S Theo Jackson
S Maleik Gray

That's 13 quality players from a class. Really good haul IMO.

I would add Latrell Bumphus and Solon Page to that list

 

[millst987]

Bumphus will play for sure. I also believe Fant is gonna beast out

 

[Glitch]

I've already stated why I don't like #12. And it's from him on the field literally.

I said JG is really athletic and it's based on HS film since they won't let him run at practice.

All you've seen is Dormady in garbage time. You act like you've seen him really run the offense tailored to his strengths. You are basing your opinion that Dormady will be bad and JG will light it up on garbage time and high school film. That won't hold up in court. Let's wait until we have some real evidence before we judge.


Oh wait. You're smarter than everyone else so you don't need evidence. You're agenda against Dormady is old BB.

 

[jordan4vols]

All you've seen is Dormady in garbage time. You act like you've seen him really run the offense tailored to his strengths. You are basing your opinion that Dormady will be bad and JG will light it up on garbage time and high school film. That won't hold up in court. Let's wait until we have some real evidence before we judge.


Oh wait. You're smarter than everyone else so you don't need evidence. You're agenda against Dormady is old BB.

Agree and a stupid agenda at that. I don't care which qb it is as long as it's the one that gives us best chance to win. Coach Jones and Scott etc jobs are on the line. They'll let the best player play.

 

[The Breakerboy]

All you've seen is Dormady in garbage time. You act like you've seen him really run the offense tailored to his strengths. You are basing your opinion that Dormady will be bad and JG will light it up on garbage time and high school film. That won't hold up in court. Let's wait until we have some real evidence before we judge.


Oh wait. You're smarter than everyone else so you don't need evidence. You're agenda against Dormady is old BB.

I'm done with this until the season start.

 

[Glitch]

I'm done with this until the season start.

You realize that you are the only one that thinks this way? Everyone else is willing to accept either guy. Whoever wins the job. You are the only one with an agenda one way or the other. I don't know why. Here's to the best man winning the job. :cheers:

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I'm done with this until the season start.

lol doubt we've heard the last of this from you 😂😂😂🙏🙏😎😎😎😅😅😅😎😎😎🙄🙄🙄💦💦💦💦😭😭😭😭🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

I'm done with this until the season start.

Aren't you the one that brought this back up by saying it'll be Butch's job about 10 pages back

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Our SEC opponents this year as seen by Rivals:

Over/Under win totals: Looking at the SEC

With fall camp now under way all over the country, just weeks stand between the country and one of it’s favorite pastimes: gambling on unpaid student-athletes. This week, Rivals.com is taking a look at Vegas’ projected win total for each Power Five Conference program and ventures a guess on the over-under for the 12-game regular season. Today, we examine the SEC.

ALABAMA - 10.5

OVER. The contrarian in me badly wants to take the under. But at this point, it’s hard to imagine Alabama losing two regular season games. Betting against Nick Saban is betting against Rocky in a Rocky film. Every once in awhile, you get a Clubber Lang situation but, for the most part, it’s a sucker bet.

FLORIDA - 8

UNDER - Florida, as is the program’s calling card, relied on defense a year ago. And while young defensive back Chanucey Gardner closed out the seasons strong, the Gators will miss Teez Tabor and Quincy Wilson. No matter how you slice it, the offense will be asked to do more this season and it’s unclear how it will respond to such a task. This one will likely be close and a game with Michigan could determine how it breaks.

GEORGIA - 8.5

OVER. There’s talent here. Lot’s of it. Quarterback Jacob Eason showed flashes as a true freshman a year ago and has a pair of weapons at running back. The defense should be sound, as the entire unit, headed up by Trenton Thompson, returns. The Bulldogs should be able to cruise past Notre Dame. If not, there will be bigger problems in Athens than going 8-4 and missing the under by half a win.

KENTUCKY - 7

PUSH. Kentucky has experience and depth and quarterback to go along with more than 15-return starters. Whether or not the Wildcats eclipse the seven-win mark will likely come down to what happens in their season finale against Louisville. And while UK seems to be outmatched by the Cardinals on paper, rivalry games – especially late in the year – seem to always get interesting.

LSU - 9

UNDER. All eyes will be on running back Derrius Guice, who carries lofty expectations into his quest to replace Leonard Fournette. The Tigers lost some firepower at other skill positions, though and games at Florida and Tennessee could go either way.

MISSOURI - 6.5

UNDER. Is 2017 Missouri really that different from 2016 Missouri? Surely the Tigers will top last year’s 4-8 mark. But getting to seven wins? At least the booze at Harpo’s is cheap.

SOUTH CAROLINA - 5.5

OVER. Jake Bentley made some noise as a true freshman a year ago and will lead an experienced South Carolina offense that needs to make progress from a season ago. The schedule is as soft as an SEC slate gets, as the Gamecocks avoid Alabama, Auburn and LSU. That said, they close the season with defending national champion Clemson, so collecting six wins early will serve them well.

VANDERBILT - 6

PUSH. Vandy’s schedule is an absolute bear, so a second straight six-win season would likely indicate another step forward. A non-conference game against Kansas State will be an early test. Should the Commodores win that one, seven wins aren’t totally out of the question. Even then, though, it’s no guarantee.

TENNESSEE - 7.5

OVER. Tennessee’s 2016 was one of peaks, valley, ducks and trucks. The Volunteers ultimately fell just short of expectations. This year means everything for Butch Jones’ job security, and while eight wins won’t inspire a ton of confidence the fan base, it’s an attainable number because of what should be a dangerous offense.

https://n.rivals.com/news/over-under-win-totals-looking-at-the-sec

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Our SEC opponents this year as seen by Rivals:


https://n.rivals.com/news/over-under-win-totals-looking-at-the-sec

I would bet a large sum that our defense ends up being a lot better than advertised.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I've already stated why I don't like #12. And it's from him on the field literally.

I said JG is really athletic and it's based on HS film since they won't let him run at practice.

To be fair, shouldn't you compare QD's HIGH SCHOOL film to JG's HIGH SCHOOL film?

 

[ChattaTNVol]

I would bet a large sum that our defense ends up being a lot better than advertised.

Brady said a couple days ago we still had a long ways to go on the defensive front overall and there's a thread in the FF trying to decipher what he meant. I think he was referring to depth. He said we needed a 10 man rotation up front and we don't have that yet. I thought these were two good articles on the nature of the beast and in particular the need to have quality depth all over the field on defense. If we can't find enough bodies ready to man the front we're going to be at risk of going 2015 all over again. We will need our freshmen on the defensive line this year because without them the older guys will just get worn out game after game - and the freshmen need to get ready to play SEC line of scrimmage football PDQ.

In the aftermath of Alabama's 35-31 loss to Clemson last Monday in the College Football Playoff national championship game, Tim Williams walked through a silent locker room and told his teammates what they already knew.

"I left everything out on the field, bro," Williams declared after producing two tackles in 55 snaps.

Either too stunned, too demoralized or too exhausted, nobody within earshot of Williams responded.

In the final game of the 2017 season, the Tide squeezed the last drop of sweat out of its defense. According to Pro Football Focus, five of its starters -- Reuben Foster, Ronnie Harrison, Anthony Averett, Minkah Fitzpatrick and Marlon Humphrey -- played between 101 and 102 snaps. Two others -- Tony Brown and Rashaan Evans -- were on the field for 99 and 98 plays, respectively.

The workload was, by far, the greatest Alabama has endured in a game this season. Up until last Monday, the highest number of snaps played by a Tide defender in a 60-minute span this season was 90. Both Humphrey and safety Eddie Jackson tallied that total in a 49-30 victory over Arkansas on Oct. 8.

After the win, Fitzpatrick, a defensive back, described how strenuous that experience was.

"We were out there a whole lot," he said. "I was kind of getting frustrated. I said something to the team. I'm like, 'We gotta get off the field, man. I'm tired. We gotta get off the field.'"

Against the Razorbacks, the Tide's time of possession deficit of 14 minutes, 14 seconds was the greatest of the year and Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban expressed concern about how it swelled to that degree.

"You're either in control of the game or you're not," Saban said then. "And if you don't stay in control of the game, you give the other team a lot of opportunities to gain the momentum in the game that they need to get back in the game and maybe come back and have a chance to beat you."

As it turned out, Saban's worst fears were realized 93 days later in Tampa against a high-octane Clemson team captained by Deshaun Watson. The Tide squandered a 14-0 lead as Alabama's offense betrayed its defense. The Tide had seven three-and-outs and only two of its 17 drives lasted more than two minutes. In turn, the time of possession favored Clemson, whose offense was on the field 9:28 longer than its Alabama counterpart.

The dwindling depth of Alabama's front seven was tested as a result. In this game, the absence of Shaun Dion Hamilton loomed large. After tearing the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee on Dec. 3, the inside linebacker was replaced by Evans, who didn't get much relief last Monday. Neither did edge rusher Ryan Anderson, who went after the quarterback on 54 of his 88 snaps. Spelling Anderson and Williams were Anfernee Jennings and Christian Miller. Together, they were deployed on 20 plays.

As was the case with Evans and Anderson, Jonathan Allen rarely had a chance to catch his breath. The 291-pound Nagurski Award winner and surefire NFL first-round pick was on the field for 73 snaps -- the most among defensive linemen and 16 more than Da'Ron Payne, who looked completely enervated on a 1-yard run touchdown by Clemson's Wayne Gallman with 4:38 left in regulation.

On that play, Payne collapsed and was pushed back into the end zone. It appeared as if as if he had nothing more to give.
Like Williams, he, too, left everything out on the field. So did the rest of the defense, which included five players with three-figure snap counts.

Many of them sat in the locker room where Williams' proclamation was greeted with silence. They knew nothing else needed to be said.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2017/01/a_look_at_the_shocking_snap_co.html

Entering Super Bowl 51, it seemed the Patriots’ best—and maybe only—chance was to keep Atlanta’s electrifying offense off the field. Sure enough, the Falcons finished with 46 snaps in Super Bowl 51, 18 fewer than the NFL average in 2016.

But the game’s biggest factor wasn’t that Atlanta’s offense was off the field. It was that Atlanta’s defense was on it. A lot. For 93 snaps, to be exact. Naturally, fatigue set in. And that’s the biggest reason why the Falcons suffered the greatest collapse in Super Bowl history.

It’s worth examining exactly how those 93 snaps exhausted the Falcons. For starters, 93 snaps equates to playing a game and a half. Then factor in the adrenaline of that game being on the Super Bowl stage, and what happens to a player’s energy as that adrenaline wears off. Then add in the halftime, which is twice as long as usual. Yes, that gives your body more time to rest. But it also means your body must operate on an unfamiliar internal clock. Over your previous 18 games, your body had grown accustom to its halftime routine. Oh, and speaking of 18 games, that, too, is a lot. Its cumulative effect magnifies the toll of those 93 snaps.

More importantly, however, was the style of snaps the Falcons were playing. As expected, they defended the Patriots primarily with man coverage. When a defender plays man-to-man, he’s chasing an offensive player all over the field. That’s considerably more taxing than sitting back in zone. Furthermore, Falcons defenders often matched to specific receivers in man. With the Patriots’ limitless supply of formations, those defenders were often crossing the field back and forth before the snap. Because chances were, if a defender’s man aligned in, say, the left slot on one play, he very well could be aligned near the right sideline on the next. The 35- to 40-yard jogs that a defender takes to follow this add up. In fact, many NFL coaches who play man coverage will implement extra snaps of zone or limit their specific man-matchup calls in order to mitigate fatigue.

Mind you, this is all just with the secondary. There are also defensive linemen, who wear down faster than any position. They’re constantly firing off the ball and wrestling with 300-pound blockers. That’s why Dan Quinn, like the rest of the NFL, employs a deep rotation up front. But on 93 snaps, even rotating defensive linemen succumb to exhaustion.

That’s what happened Sunday night. As the Falcons’ back-seven defenders grew tired chasing receivers before and after the snap, their front four grew tired chasing Tom Brady. The declining pass rush became a problem, including when the Falcons did play some of their staple Cover-3 zone in the second half.

With the D-line tiring, the pressure that had been hounding Brady (he endured five sacks and about three times as many hits) dried up. Dwight Freeney stopped eating left tackle Nate Solder’s lunch. Grady Jarrett, who was sensational, flashed less. Vic Beasley no longer made noise. And that’s when the greatest quarterback of all time rediscovered the precision accuracy that had evaded him for the first three quarters. With Brady in a clean pocket and throwing in rhythm, the Patriots had no trouble moving the ball.

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/06/...-dan-quinn-kyle-shanahan-new-england-patriots

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I would bet a large sum that our defense ends up being a lot better than advertised.

It better be..Unshakeable doubts about the defense are what drive my more pessimistic feelings about the coming season. Our best DTs are coming off major injury, our DEs are unproven, we are thin at LB, and the secondary is can abomination if it is not much better than last year, the secondary has to vastly improve just to get to..meh..status. If the defense plays solid, we will have a good season, if not...whew boy.

 

[therickbol]

All you've seen is Dormady in garbage time. You act like you've seen him really run the offense tailored to his strengths. You are basing your opinion that Dormady will be bad and JG will light it up on garbage time and high school film. That won't hold up in court. Let's wait until we have some real evidence before we judge.


Oh wait. You're sma rter than everyone else so you don't need evidence. You're agenda against Dormady is old BB.

You mean seeing Dormandy throw about a dozen passes during garbage time is NOT enough evidence to draw bullheaded definitive conclusions about a QBs potential to win games for us? Preposterous!

 

[Glitch]

To be fair, shouldn't you compare QD's HIGH SCHOOL film to JG's HIGH SCHOOL film?

High School Highlight Film. It doesn't really show if either guy is a good decision maker which is just as important as whether he can throw the ball IMO. Give me a great decision maker with a decent arm over a strong armed poor decision maker erryday.

 

[Vols4us]

Brady said a couple days ago we still had a long ways to go on the defensive front overall and there's a thread in the FF trying to decipher what he meant. I think he was referring to depth. He said we needed a 10 man rotation up front and we don't have that yet. I thought these were two good articles on the nature of the beast and in particular the need to have quality depth all over the field on defense. If we can't find enough bodies ready to man the front we're going to be at risk of going 2015 all over again. We will need our freshmen on the defensive line this year because without them the older guys will just get worn out game after game - and the freshmen need to get ready to play SEC line of scrimmage football PDQ.



http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2017/01/a_look_at_the_shocking_snap_co.html



https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/06/...-dan-quinn-kyle-shanahan-new-england-patriots

Would you please stop bringing facts to this thread. It messes up the narrative of some of the posters.

 

[Freak]

For all you knuckleheads over here, you can now embed tweets with videos like this, if you'd like, using the twitterv tag.

[twitterv]https://twitter.com/JesseReSimonton/status/895030181248806912[/twitterv]

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Would you please stop bringing facts to this thread. It messes up the narrative of some of the posters.

I've heard from coaches at different programs that the old 2-deep is obsolete in modern football. I'm just guessing mostly but what I gather, to have a relatively complete defense, we need the following:

DE = 5
DT = 5
LB = 7 or 8
CB = 5
S = 5
NB = 3

So instead of 22/24 we need 30 or 31 guys who can absorb snaps with little to no drop off. It's easy to look at recruiting rankings or players names on the roster and say, no problem, so and so can play here - but can they? Are they really ready to step in there? Will they know their assignments well enough that they can play as a team and play fast? We may indeed have a long way to go to get to where we need to be. One thing Brady said about the DL that I liked was that its a lot easier to learn than the OL. Regardless, right now is probably when the position coaches are earning most of their money. jmo.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Been thinking for a while that quality depth on the defensive line could potentially be a problem. Only proven players in that unit are Tuttle, McKenzie and Vickers. Behind them who do we have at tackle who have shown they can play in this league? You can hope that two or three freshmen are capable but you can't rely on them. At end we have Taylor, Phillips, and Kongbo, none of which have really shown me anything. A couple key injuries to that group could be trouble IMO.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Been thinking for a while that quality depth on the defensive line could potentially be a problem. Only proven players in that unit are Tuttle, McKenzie and Vickers. Behind them who do we have at tackle who have shown they can play in this league? You can hope that two or three freshmen are capable but you can't rely on them. At end we have Taylor, Phillips, and Kongbo, none of which have really shown me anything. A couple key injuries to that group could be trouble IMO.

never as bad as you think, never as good either. Need Picou, Smith, Johnson and a couple others to step up for us.