Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

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vol2002 said:
I think so too, and I would agree with the decision. 8-4 is my cut-off.

I like Butch and think he has done great things to restore the program. I also think his tenure has been better than portrayed by the media, and last year was a disaster mostly because of injuries. But at some point, you lose control of the narrative and no matter how good a coach you are, you can't overcome the negativity to lead your team, recruit, etc. He is dangerously close to that.
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If he goes 8-4 and loses to Florida, Georgia, Alabama and LSU I think there's a good chance Currie will let him go. When you're in year 5 at a place like Tennessee you need to be competing for championships, period. The big question would be how confident Currie would be that he could pull a top coach. If there aren't any realistic candidates on the market, I think you would have to hold on to Jones.
 
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Just don't see three straight 9 wins seasons (counting bowl win) getting Butch fired. Especially with the way recruiting is going.
 
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Interesting point posted here earlier, besides the big 4 of Saban, Dabo, Meyer, Harbough, only a few (5 I think) other coaches have won 9 games the past 2 seasons. Butch being one of them.
 
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bignewt said:
Id like to see who currie could pull out of his butt if he fires cbj after a 8-4 season.
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Exactly. It had better be a grand slam hire, and he had better already know the guy will come before letting Butch go. Most coaches wouldn't want to come somewhere that they may get fired after 3 straight 8-4/9-4 seasons.

IMO, Butch gets 10+ wins this year. This team will come out playing as mad as a hornet from the first snap. It will remind us of all the other teams under Butch, except last year...tough and physical. They will be out to prove a point this year.
 
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There just aren't many coaches out there who tick the "better than Butch, not already at a marquee program, aren't locked down with contracts, and are willing to come to Tennessee" boxes.

I think that's the reason Dan Mullen's name comes up so often. He does tick the boxes IMO, but if he's a worse recruiter, it would be a wash and we might even be worse off.

Could Currie actually pull off a grand slam and poach a top 15 caliber coach from another school? It's hard to see it. If you look at almost the entire top 25 at the end of last season, it's all guys with either deep ties to their schools or guys who won't easily slip away from their ADs.
 
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Dooby15 said:
Interesting point posted here earlier, besides the big 4 of Saban, Dabo, Meyer, Harbough, only a few (5 I think) other coaches have won 9 games the past 2 seasons. Butch being one of them.
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Harbaugh isn't one of the big four. That was Swinney. Harbaugh hasn't won squat
 
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bignewt said:
Except Chip has never won anything and would never come into this toxic fan base
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The fan base boogey man! Chip Kelly isn't on Twitter. He's probably isn't on Reddit, VN or Sabanocchios group thread text. He doesn't know the first thing about the fan base, nor does he care.
 
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Look at two of the recent HC stats we have discussed in this thread recently: There are only 4 active HC that have won a NC and Butch is top 8 in wins over the last two seasons by head coaches without a National Championship.

That shows me two things: elite HCs are hard to come by and Butch is actually doing fairly well. He may not be Saban, but he's growing. If I'm firing him after an 8-4 season I better have an elite HC coach to replace him, and well, there's not many of those. If I fire him and end up with another 8-4 guy then might as well have just kept Butch and let him grow.

Now to the original question of Chip Kelly.. I do think Chip is an elite coach. I think he would be a home run hire. JMO.
 
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UTProf said:
As much as I've hated the Lebron is great vs. the haters talk in here there are two quintessentially American sports and neither one is baseball. They are 1. Basketball and 2. Lacrosse. These were created in the Americas and aren't derivative sports that were created in other countries like say Cricket/Baseball or Rugby/Football.

Both Lacrosse and Basketball are American made and derived from Native American games. Lacrosse especially but even shooty hoops has Native American ancestry so to speak. Baseball may be called our national pastime but it's origins aren't American the same way those two are.
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'Twas a quote, doc...

And no one is saying the game was invented in America. Just that it is America's game.

:hi:
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Look at two of the recent HC stats we have discussed in this thread recently: There are only 4 active HC that have won a NC and Butch is top 8 in wins over the last two seasons by head coaches without a National Championship.

That shows me two things: elite HCs are hard to come by and Butch is actually doing fairly well. He may not be Saban, but he's growing. If I'm firing him after an 8-4 season I better have an elite HC coach to replace him, and well, there's not many of those. If I fire him and end up with another 8-4 guy then might as well have just kept Butch and let him grow.

Now to the original question of Chip Kelly.. I do think Chip is an elite coach. I think he would be a home run hire. JMO.
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Or you fire him, hire Chip, and after his first season he gets another shot in the NFL and he bolts?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Butch would have to miss a bowl for him to be let go.
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Bingo. As much as everyone wants to think Currie will want to make his mark on the football program with an average season, he has strings attached to him, and that kind of move is only made if those strings are pulled on by the puppet master.
 
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