Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

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InVOLuntary said:
Hey we won so everything was genius.
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I'm with you on this one. I understand the theory of it, and I'm happy we won so I don't want to complain too much..... but at some point don't you have to say "this isn't working " and change something?
 
#253
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LaagerVol said:
So you're saying it's a guarantee that every team that plays GT without lining up 1-2 yards off the los loses one or more DL to injury??
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This is funny to me. VN obsessed for weeks over the potential for injury. GT forums mocked Vickers, thinking they had claimed their first victim. And now VN seems to have amnesia.

I didn't make or execute the plan, I'm just explaining why. Like it or don't.
 
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So who do we see at LB? Bituli and? Wonder if Ignont will get a chance to play next to him?
 
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SSVol said:
This is funny to me. VN obsessed for weeks over the potential for injury. GT forums mocked Vickers, thinking they had claimed their first victim. And now VN seems to have amnesia.

I didn't make or execute the plan, I'm just explaining why. Like it or don't.
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I didn't obsess over it. I know some people like to lump all of Volnation together. And you don't need to explain why to anyone, we know why they did it. And I don't like it.

I'm happy it turned out ok tho
 
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Just rewatched the game. Kelly is a freaking stud. I wish we had run him and Kamara exclusively in 2015 and 2016. Hurd was good in 2015 but having those two as our primary RBs those years with Dobbs keeping it would have been basically impossible to stop.
 
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LaagerVol said:
I'm with you on this one. I understand the theory of it, and I'm happy we won so I don't want to complain too much..... but at some point don't you have to say "this isn't working " and change something?
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We didn't get anyone hurt. That was the ultimate goal evidently. I don't want to take anything away from the win. It sure as heck beats the other outcome, but to say the defensive game plan was successful because we won and no one got injured is incredibly naive IMO. I thought at one point that we should have been tight to the Los and shot the gaps with linebackers and tried to blow up the play before it got started. If you give up a big play you at least got the defense off the field. Also you increase your chances of creating turnovers from making them pitch the ball quicker and hitting the qb more frequently.

Before the game I brought up the point, actually asked the question about Shoop's experience defending against an option. To me it was obvious it is a weakness.
 
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Aesius said:
Just rewatched the game. Kelly is a freaking stud. I wish we had run him and Kamara exclusively in 2015 and 2016. Hurd was good in 2015 but having those two as our primary RBs those years with Dobbs keeping it would have been basically impossible to stop.
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YES. I can't believe how hard Kelly runs... give him an inch and he'll take a mile, churning all the way.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
We didn't get anyone hurt. That was the ultimate goal evidently. I don't want to take anything away from the win. It sure as heck beats the other outcome, but to say the defensive game plan was successful because we won and no one got injured is incredibly naive IMO. I thought at one point that we should have been tight to the Los and shot the gaps with linebackers and tried to blow up the play before it got started. If you give up a big play you at least got the defense off the field. Also you increase your chances of creating turnovers from making them pitch the ball quicker and hitting the qb more frequently.

Before the game I brought up the point, actually asked the question about Shoop's experience defending against an option. To me it was obvious it is a weakness.
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I felt the same about pulling the DL up like normal and run blitzing the backers, doing stunts. Rather be aggressive.

I was hoping Warren would have a handle on it. Who knows how much control Butch keeps over all these decisions.
 
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LaagerVol said:
I didn't obsess over it. I know some people like to lump all of Volnation together. And you don't need to explain why to anyone, we know why they did it. And I don't like it.

I'm happy it turned out ok tho
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Not lumping VN. Just musing over the difference between pre and post game discussion and concerns.
 
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LaagerVol said:
I felt the same about pulling the DL up like normal and run blitzing the backers, doing stunts. Rather be aggressive.

I was hoping Warren would have a handle on it. Who knows how much control Butch keeps over all these decisions.
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I wondered the same about control but I get the feeling Butch has more or less relinquished control of the D to Shoop. Don't know that for sure but I suspect that. I think Shoop just laid an egg with the game plan and didn't have an answer. Jmo.
 
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Given that we were playing with no actual defensive tackles late last season, you think that might drive a more risk averse approach? Especially for a non-conference game?
 
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drvenner said:
The same way that they missed the block in the back, and multiple illegal motion/illegal shift penalties, and the targeting call when JJ went down.

Incompetence.
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They also missed at least one blatant hold on Gaulden when their QB scrambled for one of their later TDs.
 
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The D plan was solid for the first three drives. Then they adjusted and we didn't. They exploited our weakness. We didn't adjust.

I can't explain that.

If that is the way this team will play this year it will be a long year.

My guess is they only installed that plan for Tech and didn't want to go traditional. Thought they could still stop them.


It worked. Barley. But it worked.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
The D plan was solid for the first three drives. Then they adjusted and we didn't. They exploited our weakness. We didn't adjust.

I can't explain that.

If that is the way this team will play this year it will be a long year.

My guess is they only installed that plan for Tech and didn't want to go traditional. Thought they could still stop them.


It worked. Barley. But it worked.
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Sage.
 
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SSVol said:
Given that we were playing with no actual defensive tackles late last season, you think that might drive a more risk averse approach? Especially for a non-conference game?
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I do think that's probably why and I agree with starting the game that way. But when it starts getting down to nut cutting time and it looks like we are gonna lose the game, I would have to take my chances with risking injury.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
The D plan was solid for the first three drives. Then they adjusted and we didn't. They exploited our weakness. We didn't adjust.

I can't explain that.

If that is the way this team will play this year it will be a long year.

My guess is they only installed that plan for Tech and didn't want to go traditional. Thought they could still stop them.


It worked. Barley. But it worked.
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I think the ineffectiveness of the offense was a huge contributor the defenses ails. The defense effectively played a full game in the first half.

Beer
 
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