Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[drvenner]

Thanks. I didn't know it was finalized. Hope it gets canceled and I don't give a damn how selfish that sounds

Florida will play in a monsoon before they let it get canceled and have to sit those guys against us.

 

[volatil]

Shulers badge says, Pre-game only.

Dobbs pass says Bench access.

Peyton just says "Dont you know who I am?" No pass needed.

Peyton's hair is coached by Shoop...

2 yards off line of scrimmage

 

[SergeantVol]

Peyton's hair is coached by Shoop...

2 yards off line of scrimmage

Cold blooded!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Yet with all those good things you mention it wasn't good enough to win the game without their kicker failing to make an easy kick. He gifted us the game by not being able to get the ball above the line. Sorry you guys can't handle the fact we got our ass kicked all night and were lucky to win but that's the facts. Look at the stat sheet.

I guess we gifted Bama the win in 2015 when Medley missed three field goals then. Guess that's a moral victory for us.

 

[3rdDegreeVol]

I was looking at the stats for the GT game and was intrigued by the time of possession and the fact that GT had the ball twice as long as UT. Given that, I was interested in the amount of points scored by each team in that time so I calculated the points per minute of possession (let's call it ppm for short) for each team (regulation only) and compared it to last year.

On offense the ppm for the game was 1.51 (28 points / 18:33). For context the average ppm for last season was 1.3. Only 4 games last year did UT have higher ppm than against GT. VT (1.59), Tenn Tech (2.94), UK (1.99), and Missouri (2.18). All W's. In addition there were 5 wins last season with lower ppm. All the losses had lower ppm. I would say that other than maybe VT, GT's defense was much better than any of those teams.

On defense the ppm was 0.68 (28 points allowed / 41:27). Last year the season average was 0.86. There were only three games with better ppm last season. App St (0.49), Ohio (0.64), and Tenn Tech (0.0). Please note that none of these teams are nearly as good as GT. Every other game had a higher points per minute allowed.

Looking at the game this way I think reveals a couple of things. The offense was very efficient with the time they had. They scored the same number of points in less than half the time GT took. Taking the GT ppm times the average time of possession from last year (27:24) works out to ~41.4 points per game. Not too shabby. Doing the same for defense gives 22.0 points per game on average. Take away the extreme ball control style that GT runs and look at more average time of possession numbers, the overall performance, according to this metric, was better than most of last year.

I thought that maybe one factor here was the number of big plays (>20 yards) each team had but looking at the drives, GT had 5 plays over 20 and UT had 4. Looking a little further one thing that did stand out was the starting field position. UT 's drives were generally (other the 93 yard drive in 4Q) shorter than GT. I think credit for that has to go to special teams and the defense.

Just some thoughts about the game that may only interest me but I thought I would put them out there for discussion.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

We still haven't fixed the fundamentals on D. Missed assignments, guys out of position, sloppy tackling. GT had players slipping out of tackles and dodging UT players diving at them all game. It got worse as mental fatigue set in. Their QB is a good player, but we let him had a great game. Other teams' QBs have record nights against us because they see our weaknesses and exploit them.

Still time to get it fixed before UF.

Did all these guys just suddenly become crap at coaching football, or is this team just full of lazy turds that don't care enough about getting better to put in the work?

 

[Glitch]

I guess we gifted Bama the win in 2015 when Medley missed three field goals then. Guess that's a moral victory for us.

Don't you know we operate under a double standard around here. Other teams get the benefit of the doubt but UT must be perfect and is allowed zero ability to explain issues. No excuses even if they are completely relevant!

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Is there possibly any chance we can just put the WIN from Monday night behind us and move on to the next game? This is absurd. Everything single play, player, coach, and game plan has been hashed and re-hashed multiple times. Move on!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

The button is back! I be like:

 

[BruinVol]

I guess we gifted Bama the win in 2015 when Medley missed three field goals then. Guess that's a moral victory for us.

I thought that day was an excellent sign we were going to play well the rest of the year.

How did the rest of that season go?

 

[zhangliao04]

Is there possibly any chance we can just put the WIN from Monday night behind us and move on to the next game? This is absurd. Everything single play, player, coach, and game plan has been hashed and re-hashed multiple times. Move on!

If posters would stop talking to select people then it would.

 

[Glitch]

Is there possibly any chance we can just put the WIN from Monday night behind us and move on to the next game? This is absurd. Everything single play, player, coach, and game plan has been hashed and re-hashed multiple times. Move on!

If Nick would make the dang game thread instead of sleeping I think we could. It's gonna be about 8 more hours though because Nick needs his rest.

 

[bignewt]

I was looking at the stats for the GT game and was intrigued by the time of possession and the fact that GT had the ball twice as long as UT. Given that, I was interested in the amount of points scored by each team in that time so I calculated the points per minute of possession (let's call it ppm for short) for each team (regulation only) and compared it to last year.

On offense the ppm for the game was 1.51 (28 points / 18:33). For context the average ppm for last season was 1.3. Only 4 games last year did UT have higher ppm than against GT. VT (1.59), Tenn Tech (2.94), UK (1.99), and Missouri (2.18). All W's. In addition there were 5 wins last season with lower ppm. All the losses had lower ppm. I would say that other than maybe VT, GT's defense was much better than any of those teams.

On defense the ppm was 0.68 (28 points allowed / 41:27). Last year the season average was 0.86. There were only three games with better ppm last season. App St (0.49), Ohio (0.64), and Tenn Tech (0.0). Please note that none of these teams are nearly as good as GT. Every other game had a higher points per minute allowed.

Looking at the game this way I think reveals a couple of things. The offense was very efficient with the time they had. They scored the same number of points in less than half the time GT took. Taking the GT ppm times the average time of possession from last year (27:24) works out to ~41.4 points per game. Not too shabby. Doing the same for defense gives 22.0 points per game on average. Take away the extreme ball control style that GT runs and look at more average time of possession numbers, the overall performance, according to this metric, was better than most of last year.

I thought that maybe one factor here was the number of big plays (>20 yards) each team had but looking at the drives, GT had 5 plays over 20 and UT had 4. Looking a little further one thing that did stand out was the starting field position. UT 's drives were generally (other the 93 yard drive in 4Q) shorter than GT. I think credit for that has to go to special teams and the defense.

Just some thoughts about the game that may only interest me but I thought I would put them out there for discussion.

Obviously the game plan on D was to limit big plays and hope to stop them on 3rd down which we did not do well but it still limited them to 28 points in regulation. Of course it also burned a lot of clock and made the D take a lot of snaps. Was it the best strategy? Hard to say but we won so on to the next one.

 

[Aesius]

Good possibility that TaQuon Marshall is just elite.

PJ's scheme is predicated on his players running the offense perfectly. If they do, it's essentially impossible to stop without a massive talent differential. Most of the time they don't run it perfectly. But that kid was something else.

 

[bignewt]

Good possibility that TaQuon Marshall is just elite.

PJ's scheme is predicated on his players running the offense perfectly. If they do, it's essentially impossible to stop without a massive talent differential. Most of the time they don't run it perfectly. But that kid was something else.

and the fact that Benson is a man-tank.

 

[chavisut]

That one was especially bad, but the second run play of the game (JK was tackled for a loss) was another play where a DT basically brushed right past Jones.

The next play (QD's first incompletion) JJ's man got by him and hurried QD into a bad throw.

First play of the next drive, he dives at Brant Mitchell's ankles and whiffs (not that it mattered, was a TFL, but not a good play for him nonetheless).

Next play he gets owned on the draw play.

A couple drives later he had a nice block on Chandler's run when he pulled and got a clean shot on Mitchell (who was already engaged with Wolfe, FWIW).

Got beat by the DT on a swim move a play or two later, but had help from Robertson picking him up and QD got the ball out quick.

Sealed off the LB on the next play for JK to have a nice run.

Did a good enough job down blocking on JK's first TD.

First play of the second half makes good initial contact with the DT, but loses his balance, DT gets off the block, and gets JK. Still a decent run. But if he keeps his feet, JK might get to the second level of the defense.

around 2:20 in the 3rd quarter, he lets a blitzer run right by him without getting a hand on him (we had 5 guys to block 5 men on that play...just a missed assignment there). Luckily the pass was a quick hitter.


He did a great job going in at RT in a pinch and getting a nice block on Callaway's first TD

First play of the next drive, back at LG, whiffs on a LBer. Tackle around the LOS.

8:15 in the 4th he let the DT drive him back into the pocket and disrupt Dormady's throw a bit. Pass is almost picked off. Not a blown play, really. But not great either.

Maybe his best block of the night on our last drive with 1:58 to go. Blocks the DT down out of the play and helps give JK the nice cut back lane for a big play.

2OT first play he doesn't do a good enough job getting to the MLB and sealing him off. If he does, JK has a hole big enough to run for 10+ easily. In Jones' defense here, Mitchell read and reacted pretty quickly. But that's a block he's gotta make in SEC play.

Gets good enough push on the last TD also.



Look, I'm a Jack Jones fan. I wanted him on the field more last year. But after watching his play week one, I can see why he wasn't out there more. He plays hard, that's obvious. But he seemed to lose his balance too easily and had trouble finishing blocks. He had a few nice moments, but it wasn't a good night for him overall.


Luckily, most of his mistakes seem to be the correctable kind. Like I said, it's obvious he plays hard. But he's gotta learn to stick with and finish his blocks better.

Great breakdown. I saw all of this for the first half. My initial post was about the toughness. I saw him bringing it on most plays. Lot of instances where the play was away from him. He most certainly made mistakes and I agree about the footing. It wasn't a perfect game, but if you pinpoint any OL for an entire game you're going to see these things.

I still think he's been the nastiest OL we've fielded the last two years. I like the entire OL a lot moving forward.

 

[drvenner]

Shoop is the guy who said he never met a blitz he didn't like. Well, the one thing you can't do against a triple-option is blitz. I can understand why he struggled with it. His entire defensive philosophy runs counter to what you have to do to stop the triple-option.

There are run blitz packages that can be effective against the offense GT was running. Like any blitz, they bring some risk with them. I would have liked to have seen a few just to see if we could slow them down a little bit more.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I was looking at the stats for the GT game and was intrigued by the time of possession and the fact that GT had the ball twice as long as UT. Given that, I was interested in the amount of points scored by each team in that time so I calculated the points per minute of possession (let's call it ppm for short) for each team (regulation only) and compared it to last year.

On offense the ppm for the game was 1.51 (28 points / 18:33). For context the average ppm for last season was 1.3. Only 4 games last year did UT have higher ppm than against GT. VT (1.59), Tenn Tech (2.94), UK (1.99), and Missouri (2.18). All W's. In addition there were 5 wins last season with lower ppm. All the losses had lower ppm. I would say that other than maybe VT, GT's defense was much better than any of those teams.

On defense the ppm was 0.68 (28 points allowed / 41:27). Last year the season average was 0.86. There were only three games with better ppm last season. App St (0.49), Ohio (0.64), and Tenn Tech (0.0). Please note that none of these teams are nearly as good as GT. Every other game had a higher points per minute allowed.

Looking at the game this way I think reveals a couple of things. The offense was very efficient with the time they had. They scored the same number of points in less than half the time GT took. Taking the GT ppm times the average time of possession from last year (27:24) works out to ~41.4 points per game. Not too shabby. Doing the same for defense gives 22.0 points per game on average. Take away the extreme ball control style that GT runs and look at more average time of possession numbers, the overall performance, according to this metric, was better than most of last year.

I thought that maybe one factor here was the number of big plays (>20 yards) each team had but looking at the drives, GT had 5 plays over 20 and UT had 4. Looking a little further one thing that did stand out was the starting field position. UT 's drives were generally (other the 93 yard drive in 4Q) shorter than GT. I think credit for that has to go to special teams and the defense.

Just some thoughts about the game that may only interest me but I thought I would put them out there for discussion.

Pretty interesting stuff.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Don't you know we operate under a double standard around here. Other teams get the benefit of the doubt but UT must be perfect and is allowed zero ability to explain issues. No excuses even if they are completely relevant!

Ah yes, I forget. VN gonna VN

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I thought that day was an excellent sign we were going to play well the rest of the year.

How did the rest of that season go?

Uh, we won every game after that.

 

[LaagerVol]

He was an unbelievable WR in HS

I know I'm in the minority here but I didn't think he was all that great at S. WR is probably a better position for him.

 

[UTProf]

The footage of small children firing machine guns really hit me. I'm glad he got out.

Liberia was carved out of Africa and founded by Americans. Free people of color and former slaves. Even Lincoln endorsed the back to Africa exodus to Liberia. I think the US has a responsibility there despite the years and I'd like to see us live up to it. We typically only get involved in countries that directly benefit us (oil or mineral rich etc.) but we can do things via trade agreements that would change the fabric of Liberia. When you give a country economic stability you give the entire country stability and prevent wars. And it's an easy thing to do that typically benefits both nations.

 

[drvenner]

Don't know where anyone got two game suspensions from.

Trevor Matich came on Nashville radio show yesterday and was talking about the Florida suspensions at one point. He said don't be surprised if this drags on longer than most think. He related it to "willful theft" and that once it became more than just one or two players it became bigger than what McElwain and the AD could control.

Lack of institutional control

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Daniel Bituli is on pace for 276 tackles.

Move over Charles Woodson

And 12 forced fumbles on an undefeated team!

 

[BruinVol]

Uh, we won every game after that.

Yes we did. Playing well win or lose means something when predicting the future. ThAnsk for making my point.