Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[Blake25p]

Worley was very good at times his senior year imo

His problem was the offense line was horrible. Would much rather have Worley with this O-Line than Dormady.

 

[jave36]

If Dormady could just cut out the turnovers, I'd disagree. But he's got 5 TOs in the past two games and was lucky to have none against GT.


Him being able to be smart with and protect the ball was supposed to be what separated him from JG. If he can't even do that, then we might as well throw the higher upside guy out there and start developing him, IMO.

Could have easily had 2 against GT and 2 more against UF.

 

[BruinVol]

I'd take senior year Worley along with this offensive roster over our current QBs without a second thought.

So far you are correct but let's remember Worley had to play a lot to get to that point. QD has more ceiling IMO

 

[LaagerVol]

Much preferred.

Go

 

[drvenner]

This cracked me up but there's no way in Hades I am liking a picture of Dooley.

 

[drvenner]

Maybe better than JR Worley. Sr Worley was light years ahead of Dormady in everything except god-given arm talent.

That's a valid point.

 

[BigZiti09]

The biggest error we have made with QD is that we played vanilla and didn't run the score up early on cupcakes the last two years. QD has came in and handed the ball off and not gotten any real experience. Our refusal to run Dobbs and open up our offense against teams like North Texas and Ohio is the biggest reason that QD looks like a freshman today.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I think that you are being hyper-critical of Dormady. He has not performed as well as I had hoped, but I think he has been better than Worley. And, if JG ain't ready, he ain't ready.

We don't know if JG is or not. This just really reminds me of 2014 Worley/Dobbs. What happens that season if Dobbs starts from the beginning? We'll never know but clearly he was better than Worley. We don't make a bowl that year if Worley doesn't get hurt. QD's strength was supposed to be as a passer and he hasn't been good. JG would have to be really bad to not be better than Dormady has been to this point. As BB said yesterday, JG doesn't have to know everything right now. Just play to his strengths and he could be better than what Dormady has given us so far.

 

[jave36]

Someone said it a few days ago, he "steps out of" his throws, or throws off his back foot, but rarely steps into it. I think if he can get out of those habits and learn his progressions/stop staring down receivers, he can be pretty good. Still not ideal for this offense.

I'm really questioning how much the coaches even tell them to go through their progressions because it has been the same in that regard through all the QBs the last 5 years.

I mean, the list of things to fix mechanically is probably longer than the things he does well mechanically. I think every struggling QB would be fine if they fixed a long list of mechanical issues lol.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

The biggest error we have made with QD is that we played vanilla and didn't run the score up early on cupcakes the last two years. QD has came in and handed the ball off and not gotten any real experience. Our refusal to run Dobbs and open up our offense against teams like North Texas and Ohio is the biggest reason that QD looks like a freshman today.

Bingo

 

[jave36]

The biggest error we have made with QD is that we played vanilla and didn't run the score up early on cupcakes the last two years. QD has came in and handed the ball off and not gotten any real experience. Our refusal to run Dobbs and open up our offense against teams like North Texas and Ohio is the biggest reason that QD looks like a freshman today.

This is an excellent point. Doug Matthews has been critical of butch for years on his inability or unwillingness to get experience for backups

 

[drvenner]

The biggest error we have made with QD is that we played vanilla and didn't run the score up early on cupcakes the last two years. QD has came in and handed the ball off and not gotten any real experience. Our refusal to run Dobbs and open up our offense against teams like North Texas and Ohio is the biggest reason that QD looks like a freshman today.

Agree.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

You're ok with us running the ball zero times on 7 plays inside their 10 yard line, with JK at RB who had been torching them. I'm not ok with that and never will be. The things you mentioned are part of the reason. FRESHMAN WR that has drops in the previous two games is who we're going to with the game on the line?

I am always for taking advantage of what the defense is giving. Freshmen or not, if they are good enough to be in the game they should be able to catch an uncontested throw. Same with JK, who is a veteran.

You left out the first play of the sequence and started with the second play after we had already thrown a pass first and goal. First and goal from INSIDE the 1 and QD checks to a pass? That shouldn't have been an option. It especially should have been conveyed to RUN the ball on second down.

If we are talking about the first sequence where we were at the 1, the first down was a designed run, but the play was blown dead because of the false start, pushing back to the 6. That next first down is when QD checked out of the run when he saw 9 defenders in the box, and had the 2 one on one opportunities spread to the right. And threw to a perfect pass that Palmer dropped. Next play was the screen to JK that went nowhere. 3rd down is where Palmer broke off his slant route, pretty much setting QD up for the INT. I do not remember throwing when it was 1st and goal from the one. I've watched twice, but will watch again to be certain.

Also, we never should have taken a chance on giving them their pick 6. Ever.

So you are saying we should eliminate the pass play from our offense? Interesting strategy.

 

[LaagerVol]

The biggest error we have made with QD is that we played vanilla and didn't run the score up early on cupcakes the last two years. QD has came in and handed the ball off and not gotten any real experience. Our refusal to run Dobbs and open up our offense against teams like North Texas and Ohio is the biggest reason that QD looks like a freshman today.

Very much agree.

 

[SSVol]

I do not remember throwing when it was 1st and goal from the one. I've watched twice, but will watch again to be certain.

Wasn't it a pass play where interference was called?

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Wasn't it a pass play where interference was called?

It has to be a pass play for there to be interference.

 

[butchna]

How bad is Butch really if Kirby is able to win 10 in his second year as a head coach after being terrible last year? Butch will look so much worse in that scenario

How bad is Kirby if Butch wins 10 and America's next Saban doesn't?

 

[BigZiti09]

This is an excellent point. Doug Matthews has been critical of butch for years on his inability or unwillingness to get experience for backups

I put most of it on our refusal to run dobbs and get the offense going. I'm not going to look it up today but for the most part, when we got Dobbs going on the ground, the rest of the offense opened up.

Sometimes teams were able to take that away from us and other times we just refused to run him. The times we refused to do it is what bothered me then and we are paying for it now.

North Texas & Ohio. That's the two main games when we should have gotten him valuable snaps and he saw pretty much zero action. Threw 5 passes against North Texas.

Against Bowling Green he threw one pass. In a 55-10 route of Western Carolina he threw 8 passes.

In 2016 he threw 17 total passes and 13 were against TN Tech. In 2015 he threw 22 passes.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Freak- are you going to do the play by play for the UF game?

 

[Catbone]

How bad is Kirby if Butch wins 10 and America's next Saban doesn't?

Taint happening

 

[Rishvol]

We don't know if JG is or not. This just really reminds me of 2014 Worley/Dobbs. What happens that season if Dobbs starts from the beginning? We'll never know but clearly he was better than Worley. We don't make a bowl that year if Worley doesn't get hurt. QD's strength was supposed to be as a passer and he hasn't been good. JG would have to be really bad to not be better than Dormady has been to this point. As BB said yesterday, JG doesn't have to know everything right now. Just play to his strengths and he could be better than what Dormady has given us so far.

Actually, we beat UGA if Worley doesn't get hurt that year. Meaning we wouldv'e gone to a better bowl. Also, Aren't your knees getting tired yet?

 

[Aesius]

I put most of it on our refusal to run dobbs and get the offense going. I'm not going to look it up today but for the most part, when we got Dobbs going on the ground, the rest of the offense opened up.

Sometimes teams were able to take that away from us and other times we just refused to run him. The times we refused to do it is what bothered me then and we are paying for it now.

North Texas & Ohio. That's the two main games when we should have gotten him valuable snaps and he saw pretty much zero action. Threw 5 passes against North Texas.

Against Bowling Green he threw one pass. In a 55-10 route of Western Carolina he threw 8 passes.

In 2016 he threw 17 total passes and 13 were against TN Tech. In 2015 he threw 22 passes.

It really is inexcusable for a junior QB who was the unchallenged backup for two years to have such little experience entering his first year as the starter.

39 total passes in two seasons as the backup. And even aside from the handing it off thing when he came in, there were multiple games where Dobbs stayed in a series or two too long.

 

[Catbone]

It really is inexcusable for a junior QB who was the unchallenged backup for two years to have such little experience entering his first year as the starter.

39 total passes in two seasons as the backup.

I agree with that!

 

[NMVol]

It really is inexcusable for a junior QB who was the unchallenged backup for two years to have such little experience entering his first year as the starter.

39 total passes in two seasons as the backup. And even aside from the handing it off thing when he came in, there were multiple games where Dobbs stayed in a series or two too long.

At least JG was allowed to run the offense against ISU. See TD pass.

 

[BruinVol]

I would point to the limited number of scrimmages more so than mop up duty games. Well documented we don't scrimmage much and that factors in more IMO.