Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Actually, we beat UGA if Worley doesn't get hurt that year. Meaning we wouldv'e gone to a better bowl. Also, Aren't your knees getting tired yet?

If that last sentence means what I think it means you're better than that Rish.

But there's no way that we beat SC with Worley that year. Dobbs' performance was incredible that game and had it not been for shackling him throughout his career we would've won many more games including the east in 2015. See Arkansas 2015 as an example for what Ziti was talking about and Butch not allowing Dobbs to run.

 

[BigZiti09]

I would point to the limited number of scrimmages more so than mop up duty games. Well documented we don't scrimmage much and that factors in more IMO.

I don't know how much we did or didn't scrimmage the past 3 seasons. That could play into it as well even if he's in a green jersey.

Still though. You can't replace live reps and he's gotten almost none.

 

[jave36]

I put most of it on our refusal to run dobbs and get the offense going. I'm not going to look it up today but for the most part, when we got Dobbs going on the ground, the rest of the offense opened up.

Sometimes teams were able to take that away from us and other times we just refused to run him. The times we refused to do it is what bothered me then and we are paying for it now.

North Texas & Ohio. That's the two main games when we should have gotten him valuable snaps and he saw pretty much zero action. Threw 5 passes against North Texas.

Against Bowling Green he threw one pass. In a 55-10 route of Western Carolina he threw 8 passes.

In 2016 he threw 17 total passes and 13 were against TN Tech. In 2015 he threw 22 passes.

You're preaching to the choir on not letting the qb keep the ball in this offense. Worley, Dobbs, QD, don't care. Qb has to keep it.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

This is an excellent point. Doug Matthews has been critical of butch for years on his inability or unwillingness to get experience for backups

That could be bc jones seems adamant about not running the score up lesser teams. You don't see Ohio state, Penn st, fsu, bama and others taking it easy on cupcakes.

 

[BruinVol]

Is there a report out there saying TKjr might return?

 

[Billy Antrim]

Off topic (whatever topic it is), but where is Glitch? He is good people, and brings laughs and optimism to the RF.

Probably sitting on the sidelines, like many of us, while the coaching change "speculation" goes on and on. is that over now?

 

[LaagerVol]

I am always for taking advantage of what the defense is giving. Freshmen or not, if they are good enough to be in the game they should be able to catch an uncontested throw. Same with JK, who is a veteran.



If we are talking about the first sequence where we were at the 1, the first down was a designed run, but the play was blown dead because of the false start, pushing back to the 6. That next first down is when QD checked out of the run when he saw 9 defenders in the box, and had the 2 one on one opportunities spread to the right. And threw to a perfect pass that Palmer dropped. Next play was the screen to JK that went nowhere. 3rd down is where Palmer broke off his slant route, pretty much setting QD up for the INT. I do not remember throwing when it was 1st and goal from the one. I've watched twice, but will watch again to be certain.



So you are saying we should eliminate the pass play from our offense? Interesting strategy.

Coaches are responsible for putting the players in position to be successful. Coaches HAVE to know the situation.

On the first sequence (first and goal from 1 foot line, 8:19 to go in the third when the ball is snapped, Florida has nine in the box, 4 stacked at the edge of our strong (right) side) the play was a pass to Callaway into dbl coverage, almost intercepted. The get taunting penalty so it's 1st and goal again from the 6 inch line. THAT is the play that we get a false start on, then we proceed to throw 3 more passes, the last of which was an interception, which is the LAST thing you can do in a 6-3 ballgame.

Then we throw the pick 6 which shouldn't have been called.

Then we throw three times inside the 10 on our last drive, when we NEEDED to run clock AND score. We were KILLING them with the run.

That is NOT good coaching.

Players make mistakes. That's part of football. It's the coaches job to mitigate that.

And you know very well that I never said we should take the pass play out of our offense, but there are times when you need to run and not pass. Surely you know that?

 

[McGeesPub]

Probably sitting on the sidelines, like many of us, while the coaching change "speculation" goes on and on. is that over now?

The only ones really bringing it up today are the ones b*tching about it.

 

[JCP201]

We don't know if JG is or not. This just really reminds me of 2014 Worley/Dobbs. What happens that season if Dobbs starts from the beginning? We'll never know but clearly he was better than Worley. We don't make a bowl that year if Worley doesn't get hurt. QD's strength was supposed to be as a passer and he hasn't been good. JG would have to be really bad to not be better than Dormady has been to this point. As BB said yesterday, JG doesn't have to know everything right now. Just play to his strengths and he could be better than what Dormady has given us so far.

Youthful Dobbs wasn't necessarily better than Worley at that time, but he had the ability to run for his life when the Offensive line didn't hold (which was quite often).

 

[Billy Antrim]

It really is inexcusable for a junior QB who was the unchallenged backup for two years to have such little experience entering his first year as the starter.

39 total passes in two seasons as the backup. And even aside from the handing it off thing when he came in, there were multiple games where Dobbs stayed in a series or two too long.

Agreed.

 

[BleedorangeinGA]

Random thought of the day:

Does anyone else get feel like you’re having a panic attack, symptoms of vomiting and could possibly pass out when you hear the CBS College Football theme song play right before a UT game?

BVS- Battered Vol Syndrome

 

[SSVol]

It has to be a pass play for there to be interference.

This coming from a golf guy... :whispered: "Now that was a golf shot!".

 

[BruinVol]

Then we throw three times inside the 10 on our last drive, when we NEEDED to run clock AND score. We were KILLING them with the run.

That is NOT good coaching.

Complete lack of football awareness to keep saying this over and over again when the facts are QD was 4 for his last 4 in passing for over 100 yards AND we called a play that was wide open only to see JK drop the game winner.

 

[BigZiti09]

Albert Haynesworth is an idiot.

 

[jordan4vols]

[twitter]https://twitter.com/jimmyhyams/status/910903048117112832[/twitter]

 

[Blake25p]

[twitter]https://twitter.com/jimmyhyams/status/910903048117112832[/twitter]

Not our money

 

[LaagerVol]

Freak- are you going to do the play by play for the UF game?

THere is one on YouTube that shows every play in 30 mins

 

[BigZiti09]

[twitter]https://twitter.com/jimmyhyams/status/910903048117112832[/twitter]

Miss me with that Jimmy. Ain't trying to hear that noise. Never gonna be cheaper than it will be this December.

 

[Billy Antrim]

That could be bc jones seems adamant about not running the score up lesser teams. You don't see Ohio state, Penn st, fsu, bama and others taking it easy on cupcakes.

CBJ is his own worst enemy because he never explains why he does things (like getting young back-ups meaningful playing time), so we fans have to speculate on wtf he is doing. Which leads to more frustration and (justifiable) CBJ criticism.

Bob Shoop, OTOH, stepped up and explained his defense for the final play at FLA.

 

[Catbone]

Random thought of the day:

Does anyone else get feel like you’re having a panic attack, symptoms of vomiting and could possibly pass out when you hear the CBS College Football theme song play right before a UT game?

BVS- Battered Vol Syndrome

Lmao

 

[Aesius]

Miss me with that Jimmy. Ain't trying to hear that noise. Never gonna be cheaper than it will be this December.

If Butch keeps losing we'll see more stuff like this come out. Beat writers enjoy seeing the fans twist in the wind.

"Butch isn't a good coach and should probably be fired"

"UT is too poor to fire Butch, you're stuck with him and 7-5 seasons for another decade Vols fans!"

 

[itsme]

Coaches are responsible for putting the players in position to be successful. Coaches HAVE to know the situation.

On the first sequence (first and goal from 1 foot line, 8:19 to go in the third when the ball is snapped, Florida has nine in the box, 4 stacked at the edge of our strong (right) side) the play was a pass to Callaway into dbl coverage, almost intercepted. The get taunting penalty so it's 1st and goal again from the 6 inch line. THAT is the play that we get a false start on, then we proceed to throw 3 more passes, the last of which was an interception, which is the LAST thing you can do in a 6-3 ballgame.

Then we throw the pick 6 which shouldn't have been called.

Then we throw three times inside the 10 on our last drive, when we NEEDED to run clock AND score. We were KILLING them with the run.

That is NOT good coaching.

Players make mistakes. That's part of football. It's the coaches job to mitigate that.

And you know very well that I never said we should take the pass play out of our offense, but there are times when you need to run and not pass. Surely you know that?

With the ball at the one and JK in the backfield the moment I see QD check to a pass I call timeout and demand there are not pass checks at the 6" line.

 

[RockyTop85]

[twitter]https://twitter.com/jimmyhyams/status/910903048117112832[/twitter]

It's not really my area of practice, but I don't think the contract is ambiguous when it comes to liquidated damages.

It says $2 million for every "full year" left on the contract. It doesn't mention pro-rated damages.

After the anniversary date of the contract signing, $2 million should drop off the buyout, IMO.

 

[BruinVol]

With the ball at the one and JK in the backfield the moment I see QD check to a pass I call timeout and demand there are not pass checks at the 6" line.

I heard an interview with eric Ainge and he talked about Cut having hand signals for certain situations. A signal saying no check offs was needed there. He also said there was signal for not taking a sack on 3 down in the red zone and QD did that as well.

 

[BigZiti09]

It's not really my area of practice, but I don't think the contract is ambiguous when it comes to liquidated damages.

It says $2 million for every "full year" left on the contract. It doesn't mention pro-rated damages.

After the anniversary date of the contract signing, $2 million should drop off the buyout, IMO.

Also it's $2.5 not 2. Jimmy got that wrong. And didn't mention that salary at his next job would offset buyout. As I'm sure it would with assistants.