Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[BruinVol]

Conjecture + negativity = Bruin's superbowl

Hmmm

Seems like you are the one that's questioned his character.....

 

[InVOLuntary]

If the kid transfers after one game then he will never be the leader we need him to be. Personally, I hope the kid sticks it out but if not then I hope he isn't a distraction.

This. If he's jumping the gun now, it screams immaturity. He needs to grow up, which I think he will.

 

[itsme]

Freak, he poisons every thread he posts in, and this crap just spreads from the FF to the RF.

This kind of stuff, where you post sympathy for some impressionable young man who is feeling sorry for himself just encourages said young man to follow through if he is having negative feeling.

God, we not only eat our own we offer them up to other schools and encourage them to go.

And then someone like this Bruin gains some kind of sick internet credibility. It sure is disappointing when you love something to see it sliced up a little at a time.

Like I have said before, it's your site.

But it's also your responsibility.

Let him have his opinion and free speech. I'm not a fan of Bruin's posting and have him on ignore. Ignore him and move on with your life. Act like an adult and stop tattling, you sound childish.

 

[BigZiti09]

Hmmm

Seems like you are the one that's questioned his character.....

I think the whole thing is being blown out of proportion. A backup QB was pouting on the sidelines and a coach said "both qb's will play vs Indiana state" and you are doing the usual. Conjecture/speculation of worst case scenarios.

 

[LA Vol]

He brought it on himself by not naming a starter when everyone knew what was going on. Tough spot but he owns this mess

What matters now is how to manage it. If JG transfers and QD gets injured, we're down to a 3* FR who needs to RS. It's counterproductive to make this a big issue. It needs to be handled in-house, not blown up in the media.

 

[BruinVol]

This. If he's jumping the gun now, it screams immaturity. He needs to grow up, which I think he will.

I don't disagree but this thinking leads to two questions.

1) do you believe that JG was recruited with any bit of thinking that he might be 4 years from starting?

2) do you believe he would have signed with Tenn knowing he would have to wait 4 years to start?


Imo there is no chance either of those would be a yes and for that reason amongst others I don't blame he for leaving if he does

 

[InVOLuntary]

Anyone ever go to a game all by yourself? I think I'm going to the game tomorrow without anyone to sit with. It's going to feel strange.

Do like 88 did last week and hire a good looking chick.

 

[Rishvol]

I think more than anything JG is itching to play. He likely thinks he can show us all, including the coaches, something during an actual game that he either can't or hasn't shown in practice.

Once he gets some reps in he may well be happy.

My fear on this is he is going to show he has wheels. In a bad way. He might have an open receiver but he'll opt to run thw ball to show that he can.

 

[BruinVol]

What matters now is how to manage it. If JG transfers and QD gets injured, we're down to a 3* FR who needs to RS. It's counterproductive to make this a big issue. It needs to be handled in-house, not blown up in the media.

Agreed. Hopefully the trust level isn't completely shot and a rerecruting can keep him here

 

[BruinVol]

I think the whole thing is being blown out of proportion. A backup QB was pouting on the sidelines and a coach said "both qb's will play vs Indiana state" and you are doing the usual. Conjecture/speculation of worst case scenarios.

Hmmm but you question his character. Perhaps Tony needs to meet a thing called a mirror.

 

[BigZiti09]

Hmmm but you question his character. Perhaps Tony needs to meet a thing called a mirror.

Love it when you call me Tony. That's when I know you're beat.

Didn't question his character either.

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

Have other boards mentioned JG already wanting to transfer or just this one poster mentioned by UTProf? It's very concerning and of course ESPN would have to shine a big spotlight on it to make it worse. I don't doubt that JG is upset, but hopefully he will remember how Hurd ended up making ,what we know now, a horrible decision. Im sure Butch lead him to believe he would play last Saturday- I'm also sure a lot of other coaches promise the same things and sometimes the flow of the game doesn't dictate a change. The grass isn't always greener. Is he honestly refusing to practice? Seems like his dad would tell him that kind of attitude isn't going to fly at other big programs either. Really hoping he gets to play a lot tomorrow and it all works out.

 

[appyvol]

I think Guarantano was frustrated because the offense was performing so poorly and he thought he could do a better job. Natural to be frustrated as a competitor.

This all day. It's hard to sit back when you think you can make a difference.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Oh yea it's bad for championship goals. I just don't blame kids in some cases for being selfish. This is one of those times. Now I hate the loophole that allows him to play next year which encourages a quick choice. I hate that but as long as that is there I don't blame him or anyone else. The Bama qb did it last year

Transfering and eligibility are big topics right now at the NCAA. The current discussions won't benefit JG but in the future this sort of situation could become the norm. Imagine, your entire 2nd team meets the academic requirements so they can transfer with immediate eligibility. Bottom line is all these kids want to play football. If our coach doesn't think they're good enough to play for us, I can't fault them if they find a better situation. All they want to do is play. It's why we had Kamara.

Granting immediate eligibility to transfers who meet specific academic standards is one of the proposals an NCAA working group will ask the powerbrokers of college sports to evaluate this month.

The collection of proposals, "intended to improve the transfer environment for college athletes, coaches and teams in Division I," per the NCAA's release, could lead to a dramatic shift in the rules that govern transfers, albeit in the future.

"The transfer working group has referred to the committee on academics an idea that would allow immediate eligibility for students who meet certain academic benchmarks," said Michelle Hosick, the NCAA's associate director of public and media relations. "What those benchmarks would be, no one knows yet. The decision will be driven by data. The committee on academics meets next in October and will begin discussing the concept. ... It's not going to be voted on in the 2017-18 legislative cycle."

The proposals include increasing the penalties for tampering with a potential transfer, offering full aid to postgraduate transfers throughout their graduate programs and eliminating a school's power to control a transfer's list of desired destinations.

School presidents, faculty, coaches and athletic directors will receive a survey about the proposals generated by the Division I transfer working group, which meets in October, this week. The deadline to respond is Sept. 22.

The proposal to offer transfers "one-time" immediate eligibility if they meet academic benchmarks will next go to the committee on academics.

It's important to note, the bulk of the proposals will not become new NCAA rules in the near future. The discussion, evaluation and legislation process is lengthy at the Division I level.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...up-proposal-immediately-eligibility-transfers

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't disagree but this thinking leads to two questions.

1) do you believe that JG was recruited with any bit of thinking that he might be 4 years from starting?

2) do you believe he would have signed with Tenn knowing he would have to wait 4 years to start?


Imo there is no chance either of those would be a yes and for that reason amongst others I don't blame he for leaving if he does

Number one is wrong. It would be three years , not two. And he'd have two years of eligibility left. Doesn't really matter what was said in recruitment time. It is always an earn your spot scenario. If he can't beat out Dormady then he needs to work harder. That will be the case wherever he goes.

 

[WallyBalls]

Anyone ever go to a game all by yourself? I think I'm going to the game tomorrow without anyone to sit with. It's going to feel strange.

I did it when we played Mississippi State a long time ago. It was kinda cool. You can make friends if you want, or just have a peaceful game to yourself.

 

[LA Vol]

JG is only one year behind QD-- 2016 vs. 2015. QD only sat two years behind Dobbs. If QD is named the starter, JG will be looking at sitting three years. Both QBs expected to win the competition to start-- and both could start elsewhere. It was always setting up to be a volatile situation.

 

[BruinVol]

Number one is wrong. It would be three years , not two. And he'd have two years of eligibility left. Doesn't really matter what was said in recruitment time. It is always an earn your spot scenario. If he can't beat out Dormady then he needs to work harder. That will be the case wherever he goes.

It would be year 4 before starting was what I meant.

 

[Nashvegas31]

JG is only one year behind QD-- 2016 vs. 2015. QD only sat two years behind Dobbs. If QD is named the starter, JG will be looking at sitting three years. Both QBs expected to win the competition to start-- and both could start elsewhere. It was always setting up to be a volatile situation.

Not true q is a junior he did not redshirt

Edit - nvm I see what you are saying you are counting last yr

 

[BruinVol]

Love it when you call me Tony. That's when I know you're beat.

Didn't question his character either.

Leadership=character in my book but If it makes your feel better you questioned his leadership.

 

[drvenner]

Point is I wouldn't blame him for leaving. No one should

I would question his decision, based on what I know. That is far from knowing everything, but if he leaves because they told him he would get in a game and then did not, I would have to question whether he wanted to be here in the first place.

 

[BruinVol]

I would question his decision, based on what I know. That is far from knowing everything, but if he leaves because they told him he would get in a game and then did not, I would have to question whether he wanted to be here in the first place.

I would bet all the money in Texas he doesn't want to be here if he has to wait until year 4 to start.

 

[BigZiti09]

Leadership=character in my book but If it makes your feel better you questioned his leadership.

Uh, no I didn't. He hasn't transferred has he? I don't think that he will either.

If he transfers a couple weeks into his RS Freshman year, then yeah he doesn't have what it takes to be the leader of an SEC championship team.

But he hasn't transferred. And I don't think that he will.

Again, this whole thing is being made out to be a bigger deal than it is. Not surprising you are clinging to this topic. Gotta stop beating the carcass of Bob Shoop just long enough to do your favorite thing which is speculation/conjecture of a worst case scenario.

 

[LA Vol]

Not true q is a junior he did not redshirt

QD is a JR and JG is a RS FR-- they are one year apart.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

JG is only one year behind QD-- 2016 vs. 2015. QD only sat two years behind Dobbs. If QD is named the starter, JG will be looking at sitting three years. Both QBs expected to win the competition to start-- and both could start elsewhere. It was always setting up to be a volatile situation.

And it's quite possible different coaches would have made different decisions. Our coaches decided to go with QD. It was, for their reasons, the right decision for our team. If Dabo has to make the same call or Saban has to make the same call or any number of other coaches had to make the call, I'm not sure the outcome would be the same. Coaches are different in a lot of ways.

How many SEC schools do you think JG could be starting for this year as a RSFr? Florida? Kentucky? LSU?