'21 Recruiting Forum: Music City Bowl vs. Purdue Pregame/Game Thread

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Was at the game. Our secondary was slaw, but the refs were abysmal as usual. The back to back PI calls on us in the fourth were unforgivable. The first one was PI on us. The second was offensive PI and it was plain. Purdue was holding us allllll friggin afternoon and not one call. They "offsetting" personal fouls in the first half and the other personal foul on the same play that they completely missed. And then finally the absolute garbage call on our TD in OT. They let plays continue all game for longer than they should and let the resulting extra yards stand. All of the sudden we are supposed to understand that they had a meeting and decided to stop forward progress sooner than they had? Shoot. We had their player wrapped up and stopped and they let him continue running another 50 yards for a TD! The refs inserted themselves into this game and I can't stand it when refs do that.
 
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Does anyone know if CRG would be a DC if offered ? If so im on board. I dont think Banks is aggressive enough tbh. You know you have a hamstrung secondary, you know they can't cover longer than 3 seconds maybe 4 tops. Our Safeties are slow to react and lack quickness and instinct. So why not get creative ? There isn't any creativity on our blitz schemes or maybe we don't have the correct players.. I dunno but 45 points should win most games.
 
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jave36 said:
Am I wrong because you want me to be, or are you going to provide some evidence? I didn't say it wasn't a horrible call. It was atrocious. I'm only making the case (correctly) that the whistle is not what determines the end of a play. It only notifies that the end of the play has happened. That's why you can't review it, because the timing of the whistle doesn't matter at all.
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I hear you, but it makes no difference. The call didn't need to be reviewed. The very same official, if he had not been rigging the game (and there is a whole game full of examples that document a pattern of rigging the outcome by that crew (by omission and commission)), could have just run to the spot where the ball touched down and signaled touchdown because it was a touchdown. He was fully in charge.

And all the other officials in the stadium and across America, who all stand up for each other, would have said he was correct, it was a touchdown. And the announcers would have said he was correct for everyone who listens to announcers. And the official would have been correct. He could have done it himself.

Nothing he or anyone else claims he did earlier had any impact on the play (the players clearly did not notice it: no one stopped) (the official is not even in the video), and it was a touchdown. And THAT self-correction would have been non reviewable. The official wasn't bound to anything. Unfortunately he wasn't interested in the truth. All the quibblling about rules seems a distraction and a unjustifiable "justification." I understand there are things that can be trotted out about rules. But there is no "technicality" barring the official from telling the truth. Who cares if Brohm said, "wait, brah, he maybe waved his arm when he was standing by the pylon." No one would listen. Just like no one listens now. Their school could write a politely worded memo. The difference would be the official quit lying and quit acting like his decision was "out of his hands," when it was not.

[I'm not saying you are mischaracterizing what you speak of; I am taking a broader view of the question, and I think I am correct.]
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Does anyone know if CRG would be a DC if offered ? If so im on board. I dont think Banks is aggressive enough tbh. You know you have a hamstrung secondary, you know they can't cover longer than 3 seconds maybe 4 tops. Our Safeties are slow to react and lack quickness and instinct. So why not get creative ? There isn't any creativity on our blitz schemes or maybe we don't have the correct players.. I dunno but 45 points should win most games.
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We don't have many good players on defense....too many holes.
 
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TeacherVol007 said:
Obviously someone, somewhere made a deal with the devil and this was his bargaining chip. That’s the only thing I’ve been able to tell myself that justifies it all.
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It is insane...I mean what are the odds of this many crazy things happening to one team over and over and over, year after year after year...unless it is on purpose?
 
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jave36 said:
No one is saying the call was correct. What part of that can't you grasp? Just cause your peewee coach told you something doesn't make it the rule. The play ends when the action on the field ends the play. The whistle just notifies everyone that has happened. That's explicitly how it works. Your peewee coach didn't want to have a philosophical discussion with you or didn't know the rule himself, so he told you "just play to the whistle."
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Trying not to tell another VOL fan to FO, so goodnight and Happy New Year to you
 
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Jackcrevol said:
good grief. love this team and Coach.
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Before you are hyper critical of the end of regulation, I think you have to understand what our QB is taught. I’m not in the room, but my guess is he is taught to go deep when Tillman is one on one with no safety help. I was in the corner of the end zone on the front side and saw exactly what advantage we had. Now, can Heupel call something different? Not sure how our calls are made. I, too, was wondering what they were doing, but both plays were open by 2 + yards.

Edit: this wasn’t meant to be in response to you; just a running commentary of the criticism.
 
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LA Vol said:
Nobody from UT will say anything publicly. They never do. At most, UTAD will send a polite letter to the SEC noting their grievances, Sankey will ignore it and the inept officiating, bias and look-the-other-way nonsense will continue as it has for years. The SEC wants member institutions to take their multi-millions, shut up and support the gravy train that keeps everyone fat and happy. And UT seems to be content to do exactly that.
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Sadly, it sounds like the fans should just walk away.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
One has to be moved to STAR to replace Theo and we need Slaughter, Charles or someone else to emerge as faster safety options.
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Flowers might be able to play the STAR but Tank isn't fast enough to stay with slot receivers and elite TE's.
 
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It is a bitter way to end the season for sure. ? For all the terrible calls the SEC guys make .... I cant say I have seen a worse group of officials. The ACC should FIRE them all. But they won't because there is no accountability. Yes I am aware Heupel made decisions not everyone agrees with, I am aware Hooker missed several targets. But there is no excuse for a wide out getting his jersy stretched a foot and no call not to mention the TD that everyone saw but progress was stopped. I am also very aware our secondary is absolutely lifeless without Alontae
 
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Orange. said:
I hear you, but it makes no difference. The call didn't need to be reviewed. The very same official, if he had not been rigging the game (and there is a whole game full of examples that document a pattern of rigging the outcome by that crew (by omission and commission)), could have just run to the spot where the ball touched down and signaled touchdown because it was a touchdown. He was fully in charge.

And all the other officials in the stadium and across America, who all stand up for each other, would have said he was correct, it was a touchdown. And the announcers would have said he was correct for everyone who listens to announcers. And the official would have been correct. He could have done it himself.

Nothing he or anyone else claims he did earlier had any impact on the play (the players clearly did not notice it: no one stopped) (the official is not even in the video), and it was a touchdown. And THAT self-correction would have been non reviewable. The official wasn't bound to anything. Unfortunately he wasn't interested in the truth. All the quibblling about rules seems a distraction and a unjustifiable "justification." I understand there are things that can be trotted out about rules. But there is no "technicality" barring the official from telling the truth. Who cares if Brohm said, "wait, brah, he maybe waved his arm when he was standing by the pylon." No one would listen. Just like no one listens now. Their school could write a politely worded memo. The difference would be the official quit lying and quit acting like his decision was "out of his hands," when it was not.

[I'm not saying you are mischaracterizing what you speak of; I am taking a broader view of the question, and I think I am correct.]
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I don't think we're too far off from each other. It boils down to the official making a horrible call and doing it in such a way that the rule says it can't be reviewed because the whistle doesn't determine when a play ends. That's a bad rule and a bad official.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Does anyone know if CRG would be a DC if offered ? If so im on board. I dont think Banks is aggressive enough tbh. You know you have a hamstrung secondary, you know they can't cover longer than 3 seconds maybe 4 tops. Our Safeties are slow to react and lack quickness and instinct. So why not get creative ? There isn't any creativity on our blitz schemes or maybe we don't have the correct players.. I dunno but 45 points should win most games.
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if we'd blitzed we'd have gotten torched
 
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