'21 Recruiting Forum: Music City Bowl vs. Purdue Pregame/Game Thread

[OGbabyaviVol]

My stance on refs is pretty simply. They are all mediocre. It’s not their primary profession so it’s impossible to expect them to be experts.

There is plenty and plenty of money in college football to hire referees as a primary job. It is inexcusable that it is not with all of the money in it.

 

[Glitch]

And you didn't throw any mustard?!?! Didn't give your all imo

I offered, but my wife wouldn't let me.

 

[Glitch]

Would the correct call have been made at the end and we win then the yahoos on here saying we could have done more to win wouldn’t be saying that. Even the minority of talkings heads with that take wouldn’t be saying that. The narrative would be we showed fight and overcame adversity.

At the end of the day we got jobbed, it’s plain as day.

This always seems to happen and I wonder at what point we start talking conspiracy and something nefarious. It literally makes no sense they way that whole game was officiated.

We've been talking conspiracy in the RF for years now. Catch up my friend.

 

[InVOLuntary]

My stance on refs is pretty simply. They are all mediocre. It’s not their primary profession so it’s impossible to expect them to be experts.

I agree with this but the one expectation you should have is the officials are unbiased. Those officials blatantly favored one team last night to the extent you have to question their motives. All officials make mistakes but when 90% of the mistakes go one way it calls into question the integrity of the game. When they make a mistake and have the ability to correct a mistake and they double down on it, one wonders if there's not something illicit going on behind the scenes. Lots of money being wagered now with all the legal betting. Easy for shady people get to officiating crews. Or maybe it's just a hatred for the SEC or Tennessee? Whatever the reason, you have to be blind not to see the bias last night. They weren't even trying to hide it.

 

[Glitch]

I agree with this but the one expectation you should have is the officials are unbiased. Those officials blatantly favored one team last night to the extent you have to question their motives. All officials make mistakes but when 90% of the mistakes go one way it calls into question the integrity of the game. When they make a mistake and have the ability to correct a mistake and they double down on it, one wonders if there's not something illicit going on behind the scenes. Lots of money being wagered now with all the legal betting. Easy for shady people get to officiating crews. Or maybe it's just a hatred for the SEC or Tennessee? Whatever the reason, you have to be blind not to see the bias last night. They weren't even trying to hide it.

It was bad.

 

[RikidyBones]

My stance on refs is pretty simply. They are all mediocre. It’s not their primary profession so it’s impossible to expect them to be experts.

Part of the changes I'd ask for is better pay for the full time position. With that, comes transparency on punishments, a weekly press conference with the head of officials and the reviewer being centralized to streamline the accountability on reviews.

 

[Rishvol]

Part of the changes I'd ask for is better pay for the full time position. With that, comes transparency on punishments, a weekly press conference with the head of officials and the reviewer being centralized to streamline the accountability on reviews.

Don't forget unionizing

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Unpopular opinion - there’s nothing to be said. Defense was sunseri level bad & predictable.., play calling & clock management we’re off. Just a poor performance

It is a stupid opinion. The defense having a bad game does not justify bent refs screwing our boys over and over and over.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

My stance on refs is pretty simply. They are all mediocre. It’s not their primary profession so it’s impossible to expect them to be experts.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I agree with this but the one expectation you should have is the officials are unbiased. Those officials blatantly favored one team last night to the extent you have to question their motives. All officials make mistakes but when 90% of the mistakes go one way it calls into question the integrity of the game. When they make a mistake and have the ability to correct a mistake and they double down on it, one wonders if there's not something illicit going on behind the scenes. Lots of money being wagered now with all the legal betting. Easy for shady people get to officiating crews. Or maybe it's just a hatred for the SEC or Tennessee? Whatever the reason, you have to be blind not to see the bias last night. They weren't even trying to hide it.

There is no way that crew wasn't bent.

 

[bluegrasser]

I hope this experience leaves a bitter and simmering, stewing anger to Danny White - having just watched his coach and his players giving their absolute all, to be thwarted by an uncontrollable force (the refs).

The only way to fix this is to get the absolute best players we can, so that we can be so far ahead in every game that our fate is not decided by incompetence and/or outright favoritism by refs.

Danny White needs to channel his inner @Ulysees E. McGill and realize this is an “us-against-the-world” scenario, and take a different stance than the one described by @LA Vol of focusing on compliance first, winning outcomes second.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Unpopular opinion - there’s nothing to be said. Defense was sunseri level bad & predictable.., play calling & clock management we’re off. Just a poor performance

Yes. Banks loves drop 8 way too much

 

[mr.checkerboards]

He’s a box safety. He’s used as the unblocked player fitting runs mostly the way TN plays.

He's slow and unathletic. Watching him get shook by Stetson was all I needed to know.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

I complain about officiating throughout most games I watch, be it basketball, football, whatever. Just about all of em make mistakes, and some, if not most are down right terrible. Very rarely do I blame officiating on the outcome of a game, though.

But Last night was on the stripes and it was completely obvious that MAC level Crew didn't want an SEC team to win.

We still, however, could have played better in the middle part of the game and it been a non factor but that's beside the point.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I complain about officiating throughout most games I watch, be it basketball, football, whatever. Just about all of em make mistakes, and some, if not most are down right terrible. Very rarely do I blame officiating on the outcome of a game, though.

But Last night was on the stripes and it was completely obvious that MAC level Crew didn't want an SEC team to win.

We still, however, could have played better in the middle part of the game and it been a non factor but that's beside the point.

You moran(s) who thought game was on Huepel forgot the myriad people open all game. Hooker had a bad game with 5 Td's and nearly 400 yrds passing! El O El!

 

[Volnut]

I agree with this but the one expectation you should have is the officials are unbiased. Those officials blatantly favored one team last night to the extent you have to question their motives. All officials make mistakes but when 90% of the mistakes go one way it calls into question the integrity of the game. When they make a mistake and have the ability to correct a mistake and they double down on it, one wonders if there's not something illicit going on behind the scenes. Lots of money being wagered now with all the legal betting. Easy for shady people get to officiating crews. Or maybe it's just a hatred for the SEC or Tennessee? Whatever the reason, you have to be blind not to see the bias last night. They weren't even trying to hide it.

Lots of money on Tennessee in Vegas after Purdue lost a lot of players.

 

[Vols4us]

My stance on refs is pretty simply. They are all mediocre. It’s not their primary profession so it’s impossible to expect them to be experts.

For the most part. But there are enough who are maliciously bent to ruin even mediocrity.

Can't take the sport seriously anymore. Just like the NFL. It is what it is. The powers have the ability to clean it up and we know the many ways they should do it. But they will not as long as their money train is rumbling through town.

Once you see behind the curtain, you can't unsee it.

 

[CJBlaze]

Absolutely! I’ll say this… I’m sick and tired of being quiet about it. I want white and Heupel to be public about it and if we are fined, then we will make a go fund me to pay it.

I would absolutely contribute!

 

[Vols4us]

Unpopular opinion - there’s nothing to be said. Defense was sunseri level bad & predictable.., play calling & clock management we’re off. Just a poor performance

The truth can be unpopular. Shouldn't be, but is a lot. You are right in you statement. Add in officiating favoritism. Recipe for a loss for the better team.

 

[drylo]

My stance on refs is pretty simply. They are all mediocre. It’s not their primary profession so it’s impossible to expect them to be experts.

Agree with most of what you’ve said this morning, and agree with this… HOWEVER, it is reasonable to demand that they not let either their power-tripping ego or some misplaced desire to be hyper-technical and play lawyer prevent them from using replay to make the right calls (especially at critical moments late in the game).

I actually feel the same way about the “indisputable evidence” standard on replay in general. The way these announcers and rule experts frequently wax eloquent about “indisputable” this or that… who cares. You are taking the time to watch the play in slow motion — just make the right call. The standard doesn’t need to “indisputable evidence” — “pretty clearly a better call” is plenty good enough.

Either way, the same concept applies to that forward progress call. There is no good reason not to call that a TD on replay. Even if the ref ran in prematurely to mark him down, the play in fact continued (no one stopped playing) for half a second longer and he scored.

Also, do better with the penalties. I mean, you don’t have to be perfect, but if you are going to call us for DPI on every PBU, then look for it the other way too. Call some obvious holdings on Purdue. Anything to make it look like you’re actually trying to do a good job.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It wasn't just the forward-mo call to basically end the game.

The different standards between pass interference was mind boggling. During the game, even before OT, I was starting to suspect that the ACC was suffering from Napolean complex per the SEC and trying to make a point. It was apparent that we'd have to beat Purdue and the officials. Obviously, we weren't up to the task.

 

[Paper_Towel]

It wasn't just the forward-mo call to basically end the game.

The different standards between pass interference was mind boggling. During the game, even before OT, I was starting to suspect that the ACC was suffering from Napolean complex per the SEC and trying to make a point. It was apparent that we'd have to beat Purdue and the officials. Obviously, we weren't up to the task.

With the refs involved that heavily no team is up to the task.

 

[Skullbone]

Whoever decided forward progress can't be reviewed anyways? That needs to change. A ref crew needs the ability to look at it together and make an accurate call based on the replay like everything else. Ball spots also. This is evidence of that need. Forward progress should be reserved for situations where the ball carrier is clearly driven backwards only. Otherwise you could call forward progress on every run up the middle Purdue had all game long and short them 3-5 yards each time as the pile moved.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Whoever decided forward progress can't be reviewed anyways? That needs to change. A ref crew needs the ability to look at it together and make an accurate call based on the replay like everything else. Ball spots also. This is evidence of that need. Forward progress should be reserved for situations where the ball carrier is clearly driven backwards only. Otherwise you could call forward progress on every run up the middle Purdue had all game long and short them 3-5 yards each time as the pile moved.

remove 3/4 off bs reviews to review that crucial aspect

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

You moran(s) who thought game was on Huepel forgot the myriad people open all game. Hooker had a bad game with 5 Td's and nearly 400 yrds passing! El O El!

Hooker could have thrown for 8 or 9 TDs if he has a good game. No joke either...and no arguments from me. And honestly that was the case in a few other games this season. He had a great year, but taking the next step next year at being more consistent could result in a legit shot to win the Heisman and Joe Burrow type numbers.