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Nutcases claiming to be acting in the name of Christianity is very different from having entire denominations dedicated to the violent elimination of two of the world's other major religions.

Didn't read the 3rd link there did ya? lol

This is basically the same argument people make for Islam being a "religion of peace" and terrorist Islamic groups not representing the whole.

The truth is that every religion has crazy fringe groups. There are Christian fringe groups who want to eliminate those of other faiths too (though admittedly not as many as Islam because their ideology is intrinsically more rooted in violence against other faiths).

And as far as domestic terror in the US, Christians are arguably the winners. There have been A LOT of doctors and nurses killed for working at abortion clinics by Christian nutcases over the past 30 years. Nearly every one of those attacks is by extremist christians.
 
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You know whats weird? It seems you never hear of terrorist attacks in Israel but you would think they would be a prime target.

There is buts it's an everyday occurrence so not really news if it's everyday right? Also Jerusalem is a sacred city to Muslims as well so they won't do much damage to that city
 
There is buts it's an everyday occurrence so not really news if it's everyday right? Also Jerusalem is a sacred city to Muslims as well so they won't do much damage to that city

Did some quick research and immediately retracted...but you are very right you dont hear about it because it is so frequent.
 
Did some quick research and immediately retracted...but you are very right you dont hear about it because it is so frequent.

All good, it's logical thinking because you don't hear about it so you would think it doesn't happen
 
Didn't read the 3rd link there did ya? lol

This is basically the same argument people make for Islam being a "religion of peace" and terrorist Islamic groups not representing the whole.

The truth is that every religion has crazy fringe groups. There are Christian fringe groups who want to eliminate those of other faiths too (though admittedly not as many as Islam because their ideology is intrinsically more rooted in violence against other faiths).

And as far as domestic terror in the US, Christians are arguably the winners. There have been A LOT of doctors and nurses killed for working at abortion clinics by Christian nutcases over the past 30 years. Nearly every one of those attacks is by extremist christians.

Admittedly, I didn't read any of the links. I am not denying that there are plenty cases of people performing acts of violence and terrorism in the name of Christianity. However, they can almost always be discounted as nutcases or brainwashed because Jesus does not advocate violence. Some Christian groups have gone to the opposite end of the spectrum and have refused to even defend themselves should they be attacked.

Whereas Islam promotes the spread of their faith through violence and terror if people don't willingly convert. You are very educated on the topic and can probably speak more accurately about it though.
 
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Admittedly, I didn't read any of the links. I am not denying that there are plenty cases of people performing acts of violence and terrorism in the name of Christianity. However, they can almost always be discounted as nutcases or brainwashed because Jesus does not advocate violence. Some Christian groups have gone to the opposite end of the spectrum and have refused to even defend themselves should they be attacked.

Whereas Islam promotes the spread of their faith through violence and terror if people don't willingly convert. You are very educated on the topic and can probably speak more accurately about it though.

FTR, Anti-Balaka groups in the CAR are responsible for massacres and displacement of thousands of Muslims and have been reported to take part in forcibly converting larger numbers of muslims under threats of violence. That's more than just a case of a lone fanatic like Eric Rudolph.

You're right, though: Jesus did not advocate violence. But there are parts of the bible which can be interpreted as condoning or advocating violence, and that's all some fundamentalists need. Until Jesus showed up, the bible was full of violence and genocide. There's a reason the phrase "going old testament on someone's a**" exists. Sure, there's the whole new law vs. old law thing that supposedly does away with all that. However, it's still all there for people to interpret/misinterpret as they please.


People like Timothy McVeigh may be seen by the majority of Christians as acting outside of the teachings of Jesus, but it doesn't change the fact that they drew inspiration for their actions from a fundamentalist interpretation of the same book that Quakers read. It's not any different from fringe groups of any other religion.



The main reason Islamic and Christian radicalism differ so much though is that Mohammed's movement was always a political and religious movement meant while Jesus' movement was inherently apolitical. So even though both books have plenty of fodder for people to (potentially) use as justification for acts of extremism, it's a lot harder for Christians to justify acts of terror made for political change than for Muslims to do so.


While I don't personally agree with the argument as a whole, those who try to call Islam "a religion of peace" do have some points they can make in their favor. Islam throughout it's history has been closely tied to violence. However, it has had it's spans of peacefulness and tolerance as well. Islam hasn't always been so antagonistic towards Judaism and Christianity. There were times (usually when Islamic empires were wealthy and somewhat content with their place in the world) that Jews and Christians living under Islamic rule were protected from violence as "people of the book" (basically the Islamic way of recognizing they were all 3 Abrahamic faiths who worshipped the same god) and faced little persecution outside of having to pay higher taxes. There were times it would have been better to be a Jew living in the middle east than in large parts of Europe. Or to be a protestant living in the Middle East than in a Catholic country (or the other way around).


The Islamic golden age was perhaps the most stable the middle east has ever been. Without Islamic scholars who translated and studied a great number of hellenistic and ancient greek texts, we may have lost some great works of Ancient greek literature, philosophy, and math forever.


But still, that's all hundreds of years in the past and doesn't change the fact that the only times we've seen tolerance and peace out of Islam was when there was a large, powerful empire leading the majority of the Muslim world who just so happened to have greater self interest in maintaining order than in converting the entire world to Islam.
 
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I agree with all of that. The idea that any group would be less inclined to rock the boat when they are in power is well founded. Also, when a group feels that violence is the only recourse they will do violence. Many use religion to justify their violence or perhaps they hope that it will rally others to their cause. Radical Islam seems to have moved to a new level though. They have really begun to prey upon the ignorant and poor to get their way. The fact that they have a religion like Islam to use as a catalyst for their purposes only fuels the hatred and anger. It may have reached a point where it is impossible to stop and that is very frightening.
 
I'm going into to coach lol. But I love biology and love teaching people about it. The real struggle is not the students but the parents. Little Jimmy is better than every other student so he needs extra care. (Not all parents are like this but the ones who are are hated by every teacher)

When I was in undergrad I peer taught in the place of the actual professor with another guy who was the physics teacher at the local school. He said exactly what you said. You fight the parents more and more and their kid is always the angel with the brightest mind.

That is why I couldn't do it. I am too sarcastic to deal with that lol. But, the sad thing is it doesn't stop there. It happens in undergrad, too. I guess it is just not knowing when to let go of your child and let them fly on their own.
 
I think it's a bit it a stretch to make the point about Christian terrorists by using McVeigh.

He was anti-government more than anything.
 
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I think it's a bit it a stretch to make the point about Christian terrorists by using McVeigh.

He was anti-government more than anything.

Another point about McVeigh, he is not a Christian. You will never hear a pastor or Christian leader act like he was even a fringe believer. The Bible plainly says in 1st John 3:15 "no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." I mean, there is no claim anyone could ever make.
 
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Most Islamic terrorists have political goals in mind too. Doesn't change what they believe. McVeigh was motivated by the government screwing up their raid on the cult in Waco a few years prior.

He was a confirmed catholic who took last rights and communion before the death penalty (though he did express doubts in some interviews he gave). Sounds pretty Christian to me.

Also, fwiw, if he had time to work in the hail marrys after confession, that paired with the communion would be enough to send him out with all his sins expunged and set him up for a date at the pearly gates.
 
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Most Islamic terrorists have political goals in mind too. Doesn't change what they believe. McVeigh was motivated by the government screwing up their raid on the cult in Waco a few years prior.

He was a confirmed catholic who took last rights and communion before the death penalty (though he did express doubts in some interviews he gave). Sounds pretty Christian to me.

Also, fwiw, if he had time to work in the hail marrys after confession, that paired with the communion would be enough to send him out with all his sins expunged and set him up for a date at the pearly gates.

Nothing like your impending death to bring you back around.
 
Most Islamic terrorists have political goals in mind too. Doesn't change what they believe. McVeigh was motivated by the government screwing up their raid on the cult in Waco a few years prior.

He was a confirmed catholic who took last rights and communion before the death penalty (though he did express doubts in some interviews he gave). Sounds pretty Christian to me.

Also, fwiw, if he had time to work in the hail marrys after confession, that paired with the communion would be enough to send him out with all his sins expunged and set him up for a date at the pearly gates.

That last paragraph couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Most Islamic terrorists have political goals in mind too. Doesn't change what they believe. McVeigh was motivated by the government screwing up their raid on the cult in Waco a few years prior.

He was a confirmed catholic who took last rights and communion before the death penalty (though he did express doubts in some interviews he gave). Sounds pretty Christian to me.

Also, fwiw, if he had time to work in the hail marrys after confession, that paired with the communion would be enough to send him out with all his sins expunged and set him up for a date at the pearly gates.

My point was more that he wasn't motivated by any sort of Christian beliefs, at least not according to any credible source.

He was an admitted agnostic. Far from a zealot.
 
Most Islamic terrorists have political goals in mind too. Doesn't change what they believe. McVeigh was motivated by the government screwing up their raid on the cult in Waco a few years prior.

He was a confirmed catholic who took last rights and communion before the death penalty (though he did express doubts in some interviews he gave). Sounds pretty Christian to me.

Also, fwiw, if he had time to work in the hail marrys after confession, that paired with the communion would be enough to send him out with all his sins expunged and set him up for a date at the pearly gates.

Nope
 
My point was more that he wasn't motivated by any sort of Christian beliefs, at least not according to any credible source.

He was an admitted agnostic. Far from a zealot.

He flipp flopped at times on his beliefs. Plenty of christians do that. He always said he believed in god, FWIW. Sounds like he had problems with organized religion more than anything.

Doesn't change the fact that in his final moments he was taking solace in the presence of a priest.
 
That's all it takes to slip in the back door.

That's dogma. You can say words all you want. God knows your heart. If you are only saying words and not truly repentant, don't pack any sweaters on your way to the judgement line.
 
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