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OGbabyaviVol said:
I have not pushed or acted superior to anything. I do fully believe alcoholism is a choice and is sinful. You make the choice to take the first drink and subsequent ones. Glitch has already pointed out the scripture in Galatians 5 stating drunkenness is sinful.

Unfortunately, I still don't think you grasp the concept of stumbling and committing a sin one time versus continually practicing and living in a sin, so I'll stop. Thanks for the discussion though.
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Knowing someone who was molested as a child and no one knew till she was an adult who developed a drinking problem and struggled their entire life till death at 22 from the initial violation that happened at 10, had so many choices taken from her. It is a disease regardless of the initial cause and not always a choice to be able to defeat. Even cried out to God in church alters when no one knew. God knows the heart and the truth and is the righteous judge that will determine eternal issues. Not you or I or the Pharasees and this is what judging to not be judge is really about and not the detail of right and wrong. We know what is right and wrong and it is ok to point it out but God determines our place in eternity.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I'm not really that into anime lol so that one went over my head.
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It's from the same era so I thought maybe you'd of heard of it lol. Here you go
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JacketVol said:
VolsDoc81TX said:
I was raised Southern Baptist. I switched because my wife and I thought one denomination would be easier for raising children...

I am now Catholic. I will no longer go to hell for drinking alcoholic beverages or for dancing. I will definitely go to purgatory, but there is an option for Heaven afterwards. :hi:

There is a verse in Romans that states that you should let your brother worship in his own manner.

This post isn't exactly aimed at you Bass, but more at those that think one denomination is better than another. Each and every one has its good and bad points. Not one is superior to another. Those that believe that their version have started wars and killed others for minor variations in doctrine. Not so sure that is what God or Jesus intended.

Please don't go all LBJ/NBA on this too :no:
Darth has lept off that cliff long ago.[/QUOTE
Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. No purgatory there. 100 percent agree about denominations. Catholic Church is a religion with very different beliefs than Protestants. Some do not line up with the Bible NT wise IMO. Purgatory is a big one. Just believe in Christ dying for your sins and building that relationship and grow to be Christlike even to Darth and Lebron is where it is at. I have failed at that even on this board at times. Hope you all find Jesus and the way even myself.
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The Purgatory part was a joke...at least it will be funny until I get there :)
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drvenner said:
Do you think they're condemned?
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This is what I was trying to get Doc to see. It isn't about what I think. It isn't about what I feel. If truth was determined by the thinking and feelings of men, we could never know truth because we would always disagree. It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what God has said in His word.

Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

And

"Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." John 8:24

We can either accept that or reject it, but we can't change it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
This is what I was trying to get Doc to see. It isn't about what I think. It isn't about what I feel. If truth was determined by the thinking and feelings of men, we could never know truth because we would always disagree. It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what God has said in His word.

Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

And

"Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." John 8:24

We can either accept that or reject it, but we can't change it.
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Ok now...wait one damn second here. I've stayed out of this conversation. Quite frankly, because I don't give too much of a damn about any of your opinions on it. I've personally seen things and have been a part of things that would make any reasonable person question, so I try to keep my opinions to myself on the matter.

So you are saying, that according to God's word (the truth)....

there are people in this world, who are going to hell for no other reason than they haven't heard about God?

You keep talking about truth vs. what people are saying is your interpretation of the truth (which, I'm sorry, sounds reasonable for them to say)...then according to the truth...(obviously, not as you see it, but as God commands it to be)...then babies....children in families that have not given them the chance to hear about God...people of other faiths that have heard nothing in their lives other than what their religion has taught them...they were all doomed to Hell from the moment they were born?

Does something not sound wrong about that to you?
 
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BaldBiker said:
Ok now...wait one damn second here. I've stayed out of this conversation. Quite frankly, because I don't give too much of a damn about any of your opinions on it. I've personally seen things and have been a part of things that would make any reasonable person question, so I try to keep my opinions to myself on the matter.

So you are saying, that according to God's word (the truth)....

there are people in this world, who are going to hell for no other reason than they haven't heard about God?

You keep talking about truth vs. what people are saying is your interpretation of the truth (which, I'm sorry, sounds reasonable for them to say)...then according to the truth...(obviously, not as you see it, but as God commands it to be)...then babies....children in families that have not given them the chance to hear about God...people of other faiths that have heard nothing in their lives other than what their religion has taught them...they were all doomed to Hell from the moment they were born?

Does something not sound wrong about that to you?
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Except I didn't say it. A lot of people keep saying "my interpretation", and that's fine that people can accuse me of that. I understand, we all interpret everything we read and everything that we hear people say.

However, what has brought you into this discussion, wasn't even my thoughts, it was direct words of Christ. Is there any possible way to misinterpret what Jesus is saying there? Can anyone read those quotations, and come up with a legitimate other interpretation? Jesus is very straight forward, and that same message is the same message throughout the NT, salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Your issue isn't with me. Again, I didn't even add comment. I simply quoted the words of Jesus. Do you disagree with what Jesus is saying?

if you do, that is your choice. But it doesn't make it any less true.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Except I didn't say it. A lot of people keep saying "my interpretation", and that's fine that people can accuse me of that. I understand, we all interpret everything we read and everything that we hear people say.

However, what has brought you into this discussion, wasn't even my thoughts, it was direct words of Christ. Is there any possible way to misinterpret what Jesus is saying there? Can anyone read those quotations, and come up with a legitimate other interpretation? Jesus is very straight forward, and that same message is the same message throughout the NT, salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Your issue isn't with me. Again, I didn't even add comment. I simply quoted the words of Jesus. Do you disagree with what Jesus is saying?

if you do, that is your choice. But it doesn't make it any less true.
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So you are saying yes...that's what it means. You're saying that all knowing God (Says those exact words in the Bible) purposely let's people be born, knowing they are going to hell, even before they are born. He let's that happen.

I'm sorry....you're not saying that (according to you), God is. So, according to God (not your interpretation), we're all suppose to love him and follow him, because he is a loving God.....well except to those people he puts into this world knowing they're going to burn in hell when they die. What are they here for? His amusement? Why else would someone purposely put someone into a situation that they are damned from from the get go.

Still nothing about this sounds a little off to you? Like maybe....YOU are the one not seeing the whole picture. The bible also clearly states that God gave man free will to make these decisions.....how can some one be punished for a decision they were never given the chance to make? Because God is God and can do what he wants doesn't seem like a very good answer in this particular situation. If that's the case, then it sounds to me like your interpretation of Religion is nothing more than looking out for your own butt. Forget about everyone else.
 
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BaldBiker said:
So you are saying yes...that's what it means. You're saying that all knowing God (Says those exact words in the Bible) purposely let's people be born, knowing they are going to hell, even before they are born. He let's that happen.

I'm sorry....you're not saying that (according to you), God is. So, according to God (not your interpretation), we're all suppose to love him and follow him, because he is a loving God.....well except to those people he puts into this world knowing they're going to burn in hell when they die. What are they here for? His amusement? Why else would someone purposely put someone into a situation that they are damned from from the get go.

Still nothing about this sounds a little off to you? Like maybe....YOU are the one not seeing the whole picture. The bible also clearly states that God gave man free will to make these decisions.....how can some one be punished for a decision they were never given the chance to make? Because God is God and can do what he wants doesn't seem like a very good answer in this particular situation. If that's the case, then it sounds to me like your interpretation of Religion is nothing more than looking out for your own butt. Forget about everyone else.
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Well, as soon as you can provide the biblical texts that support your position, we will have something to examine. Do you disagree with what Jesus says in John 8 and John 14? Do you have a different interpretation of those verses?

I'm not going to deal with the emotional questions that you are asking, because that wouldn't accomplish anything. But if you acknowledge the existence of hell, as is clearly taught in the Bible, then you also believe that God has created billions of people whom He knew would never believe the gospel, even tho they would hear it, some countless times throughout their lives. He created them knowing they would never believe, and would face His judgment. No matter what you believe about free will and other issues such as this, if you believe in hell, you have the same problem.
 
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