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Vol8188 said:
Research shouldn't dictate legality. Regardless of what research says, this is a matter of personal freedom and even unhealthy choices should be legal.
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True enough if it only harmed the individual. However if it impaired you enough to possibly harm others in your charge or around you should not be ignored.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Research shouldn't dictate legality. Regardless of what research says, this is a matter of personal freedom and even unhealthy choices should be legal.
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So crack, meth, heroin, and other filth that people pump into them should be legal? Look, I am all about personal responsibility and not legislating morality, but we have to have laws. It is not good to murder another person but we have a law. It is not good to rob people but we have a law. Even if MJ was allowed for medical purposes, it doesn't excuse the fact that kids Tykee's age don't need to be smoking it. He has no medical need for it. People need to stop making excuses for people that break the law and the rules.

Sorry if that seems like I'm going off on you. Don't mean it that way. Just the whole idea of legalizing MJ leads to a slippery slope that we need to stay away from.
 
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INDEFENSE said:
But alcohols legal?
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You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. If not we will just keep moving the line and before you know it, we just get rid of all our laws and let anarchy have its way. That may be hyperbole but it isn't completely. The antifa folks are the exact ones pushing this MJ argument because it moves the ball towards their ultimate goal of the destruction of our Constitution and way of life.

No. I don't have a tin foil hat. I can just see their agenda for what it is.
 
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Glitch said:
So crack, meth, heroin, and other filth that people pump into them should be legal? Look, I am all about personal responsibility and not legislating morality, but we have to have laws. It is not good to murder another person but we have a law. It is not good to rob people but we have a law. Even if MJ was allowed for medical purposes, it doesn't excuse the fact that kids Tykee's age don't need to be smoking it. He has no medical need for it. People need to stop making excuses for people that break the law and the rules.

Sorry if that seems like I'm going off on you. Don't mean it that way. Just the whole idea of legalizing MJ leads to a slippery slope that we need to stay away from.
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For kids, I agree. There should be an age limit. But for adults It's a victimless crime. People should be allowed to do whatever they want to themselves as long as they're not hurting others. You should be able to smoke crack if you want. And guess what? If crack were legal you and I still wouldn't smoke it.

We should spend the money we waste on prisons and locking up weed smokers, on education and this stuff wouldn't be a problem anyway.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
For kids, I agree. There should be an age limit. But for adults It's a victimless crime. People should be allowed to do whatever they want to themselves as long as they're not hurting others. You should be able to smoke crack if you want. And guess what? If crack were legal you and I still wouldn't smoke it.

We should spend the money we waste on prisons and locking up weed smokers, on education and this stuff wouldn't be a problem anyway.
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Well, I agree that we aren't being successful with our current strategy. It is just difficult to fathom. Could we just go back to hanging folks instead of locking them up?
 
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Glitch said:
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. If not we will just keep moving the line and before you know it, we just get rid of all our laws and let anarchy have its way. That may be hyperbole but it isn't completely. The antifa folks are the exact ones pushing this MJ argument because it moves the ball towards their ultimate goal of the destruction of our Constitution and way of life.

No. I don't have a tin foil hat. I can just see their agenda for what it is.
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Glitch said:
Well, I agree that we aren't being successful with our current strategy. It is just difficult to fathom. Could we just go back to hanging folks instead of locking them up?
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Let's lock up people who commit violent crimes, theft, etc but not using or selling drugs. That simple. Don't hurt others or you go to jail. Hurt yourself and let natural selection take care of those morons.

I'm tired of the government continuing to make prisons and the entire system a profitable billion dollar industry. It's absurd.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Research shouldn't dictate legality. Regardless of what research says, this is a matter of personal freedom and even unhealthy choices should be legal.
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I could agree with this if you had to pay for the consequences of your healthcare in the future but since now the government pays for it means I pay for it.

The intake of any chemical into the body has negative effects, especially the pulmonary system. When I was a kid we thought that asbestos was an effective insulation for elementary schools. In the 1950's and 1960's cigarettes were popular.

The effects of chemicals from that era has cost us all. Pot will do the same thing to the next generation.
 
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Glitch said:
So crack, meth, heroin, and other filth that people pump into them should be legal? Look, I am all about personal responsibility and not legislating morality, but we have to have laws. It is not good to murder another person but we have a law. It is not good to rob people but we have a law. Even if MJ was allowed for medical purposes, it doesn't excuse the fact that kids Tykee's age don't need to be smoking it. He has no medical need for it. People need to stop making excuses for people that break the law and the rules.

Sorry if that seems like I'm going off on you. Don't mean it that way. Just the whole idea of legalizing MJ leads to a slippery slope that we need to stay away from.
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Where did I argue against murder being a crime? But you should be able to do with your body what you please.
 
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SoonerVol said:
True enough if it only harmed the individual. However if it impaired you enough to possibly harm others in your charge or around you should not be ignored.
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If you harm another, you should be charged with a crime. We shouldn't charge you prior. It would be like proactively arresting gun owners because they hurt someone.
 
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Glitch said:
You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. If not we will just keep moving the line and before you know it, we just get rid of all our laws and let anarchy have its way. That may be hyperbole but it isn't completely. The antifa folks are the exact ones pushing this MJ argument because it moves the ball towards their ultimate goal of the destruction of our Constitution and way of life.

No. I don't have a tin foil hat. I can just see their agenda for what it is.
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Lol drugs have been legal for the majority of our nations history. Legalizing all drugs would not be anarchy. Nor does your slippery slope argument make sense.
 
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onevol74 said:
I could agree with this if you had to pay for the consequences of your healthcare in the future but since now the government pays for it means I pay for it.

The intake of any chemical into the body has negative effects, especially the pulmonary system. When I was a kid we thought that asbestos was an effective insulation for elementary schools. In the 1950's and 1960's cigarettes were popular.

The effects of chemicals from that era has cost us all. Pot will do the same thing to the next generation.
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You're justifying more big government (war on drugs) because of big government (healthcare). You should oppose both.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
For kids, I agree. There should be an age limit. But for adults It's a victimless crime. People should be allowed to do whatever they want to themselves as long as they're not hurting others. You should be able to smoke crack if you want. And guess what? If crack were legal you and I still wouldn't smoke it.

We should spend the money we waste on prisons and locking up weed smokers, on education and this stuff wouldn't be a problem anyway.
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I don't care about MJ. I don't think it's especially good for you but neither are tobacco or alcohol. My problem is with the harder drugs. Virtually no one can lead a productive life using heroin, crack, or meth or other hard drugs. Society is left to pick up the pieces. With freedom comes responsibility, using those harder drugs very few can hold down a job to even pay for their drugs let alone their basic life needs of housing, food, and medical care.

There are many cost to society that are not part of the official statistics. As victim of drug induced crime, I know those cost. When an addict can't get his fix, he is willing to do anything including violent crime. Drug addicts broke into my home twice and robbed my business. Sure, insurance paid for my losses minus my deductible but since I was seen as high risk it became almost impossible to even get insurance. I had to raise my deductible to $10,000 and my premium went up by 400%.

I really don't care what someone puts in their body but it is disengenous to believe that society doesn't pay huge cost.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't care about MJ. I don't think it's especially good for you but neither are tobacco or alcohol. My problem is with the harder drugs. Virtually no one can lead a productive life using heroin, crack, or meth or other hard drugs. Society is left to pick up the pieces. With freedom comes responsibility, using those harder drugs very few can hold down a job to even pay for their drugs let alone their basic life needs of housing, food, and medical care.

There are many cost to society that are not part of the official statistics. As victim of drug induced crime, I know those cost. When an addict can't get his fix, he is willing to do anything including violent crime. Drug addicts broke into my home twice and robbed my business. Sure, insurance paid for my losses minus my deductible but since I was seen as high risk it became almost impossible to even get insurance. I had to raise my deductible to $10,000 and my premium went up by 400%.

I really don't care what someone puts in their body but it is disengenous to believe that society doesn't pay huge cost.
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Agreed about society paying the price for hard drugs. I personally thing marijuana should be legalized and regulated similarly to alcohol, but meth, heroin, cocaine, crack, etc. are rightly illegal.


I just worry that we're going about fighting it in the wrong way sometimes. I'm totally on board with putting distributors in prison, but I'd like to see continued reform in the way we deal with users who become addicted. There's been a lot of work done over the past few years that shows counseling and treatment for addiction to be more cost effective long term than some of the mandatory minimum sentencing we see nowadays.

Society pays the cost for drug addiction one way or another. If the cost is about the same one way or another, I think we should be trying to find ways to get users who struggle with addiction back to being able to contribute to society instead of just sequestering them from it.
 
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Glitch said:
The antifa folks are the exact ones pushing this MJ argument because it moves the ball towards their ultimate goal of the destruction of our Constitution and way of life.

No. I don't have a tin foil hat. I can just see their agenda for what it is.
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Come on glitch, you're smarter than this lol
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Agreed about society paying the price for hard drugs. I personally thing marijuana should be legalized and regulated similarly to alcohol, but meth, heroin, cocaine, crack, etc. are rightly illegal.


I just worry that we're going about fighting it in the wrong way sometimes. I'm totally on board with putting distributors in prison, but I'd like to see continued reform in the way we deal with users who become addicted. There's been a lot of work done over the past few years that shows counseling and treatment for addiction to be more cost effective long term than some of the mandatory minimum sentencing we see nowadays.

Society pays the cost for drug addiction one way or another. If the cost is about the same one way or another, I think we should be trying to find ways to get users who struggle with addiction back to being able to contribute to society instead of just sequestering them from it.
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I don't disagree. I'm not against treatment vs jail for addicts. I think users put themselves on a spiral down and then our legal systems gives them a big push. If someone makes a mistake it can become almost impossible to repair in some cases.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't disagree. I'm not against treatment vs jail for addicts. I think users put themselves on a spiral down and then our legal systems gives them a big push. If someone makes a mistake it can become almost impossible to repair in some cases.
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Yeah I agree. And I do think that eople can become lost causes and it's difficult to decide when and where reform is better than punishment.

I just think we could do a better job with reform is all.
 
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I have been on both sides of the issue. I have used just about every drug known at the time in prodigious quantities, and now I am a teetotaler that uses no intoxicating substances at all, and it is my personal belief that it is best that people refrain from ever using intoxicating substances of any kind except for real medicinal purposes. It is also my belief that marijuana being illegal, while alcohol is legal is one of the most ridiculous and hypocritical things in the world. I agree with Darth about "hard" drugs, they should all be controlled, but I do not believe alcohol or marijuana should, and that comes from vast personal experience with the effects of all drugs. I don't think legislating morality is a good thing, and I believe it is an affront to true personal liberty.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Let's lock up people who commit violent crimes, theft, etc but not using or selling drugs. That simple. Don't hurt others or you go to jail. Hurt yourself and let natural selection take care of those morons.

I'm tired of the government continuing to make prisons and the entire system a profitable billion dollar industry. It's absurd.
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Part of the issue is that selling dope is a root cause of some of the violence. Not all. But money has and always will be a thing that causes people to commit crimes. Selling and buying dope requires money. I have been working in the system for 13 years.
 
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