Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[appyvol]

Part of the issue is that selling dope is a root cause of some of the violence. Not all. But money has and always will be a thing that causes people to commit crimes. Selling and buying dope requires money. I have been working in the system for 13 years.

If dope was legal, where would the violence be? You don't see AnBusch cap a Miller guy. But during Prohibition, you had gangs running the liquor, which led to a great deal of violence. Simply put, Prohibition = Violence.

 

[Glitch]

Come on glitch, you're smarter than this lol

The goal of the people behind antifa is to fundamentally alter the American way of life. They want to completely get rid of the 2nd Amendment. They want to reduce the 10th Amendment to zero. Mostly, they hate the 1st Amendment because it gives everyone the right to say what they feel and believe, no matter how backwards and hateful it us. Don't misunderstand me here, because I despise what they stand for. It goes against my very core beliefs. I do, however, believe that they have the right to feel that way. The antifa people have the right to feel the way they do as well. However, the antifa and white supremacist groups are more alike than they might like to believe. They are both trying to suppress the fundamental rights of another group of Americans. You can believe whatever you want to believe but I see the antifa as the more dangerous because they are working to silence any opinion but their approved message. They want to take our guns and free speech away and consolidate power in an already overreaching federal government. I pray that more people wake up and see the danger they pose before it is too late. Yes I am a smart person. There are lots smarter than me. However, I can see the Forrest for the trees here. The Klan is an irrelevant marginalized superminority with little polital influence. The antifa is back by very wealthy leftists that are seeking to destroy the fabric of this nation because they despise everything we stand for.

 

[bignewt]

Dude you got a real hard on for antifa, you are giving them WAY too much credit.

 

[Glitch]

Dude you got a real hard on for antifa, you are giving them WAY too much credit.

They average idiots in the street are the ones I'm worried about. They are just pawns. It's the backers of the movement and the ones pushing their agenda from behind the scenes.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Dude you got a real hard on for antifa, you are giving them WAY too much credit.

There numbers are small but their message sucks. They are mostly communist.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Part of the issue is that selling dope is a root cause of some of the violence. Not all. But money has and always will be a thing that causes people to commit crimes. Selling and buying dope requires money. I have been working in the system for 13 years.

If dope was legal, where would the violence be? You don't see AnBusch cap a Miller guy. But during Prohibition, you had gangs running the liquor, which led to a great deal of violence. Simply put, Prohibition = Violence.

Exactly. Making drugs illegal is what causes all the problems of violence and the need to build so many prisons. It's all a money making scam, that's all it is. The government is influenced by special interest groups to keep drugs illegal to continue this ridiculous system of incriminating millions of americans for victimless crimes. They don't care about what's good or bad for people, their health or well being, they only care about making lots of $. If drugs were made legal their system would crumble and be bad for business.

If there were clinics or whatever where moron drug users could go buy heroin or crack there would be no violence and there would also be a lot less hard drug use. This would also cost taxpayers A LOT less $ than filling prisons and building new ones, hiring law enforcement, lawyers, etc...

The truth of the matter is too many people want to legislate morality in this country. They're afraid. The idea of legal drugs scares the sht out of them and they can't see the forest through the trees. And that is good for business. Pharmaceutical companies, beer companies, liquor, etc...all have special interest groups lining the pockets of the politicians to make it stay this way.

If people were educated enough in this country they would see through the bs and make the proper changes. I'd like that world for America and for my children. But we're a long way away unfortunately.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Exactly. Making drugs illegal is what causes all the problems of violence and the need to build so many prisons. It's all a money making scam, that's all it is. The government is influenced by special interest groups to keep drugs illegal to continue this ridiculous system of incriminating millions of americans for victimless crimes. They don't care about what's good or bad for people, their health or well being, they only care about making lots of $. If drugs were made legal their system would crumble and be bad for business.

If there were clinics or whatever where moron drug users could go buy heroin or crack there would be no violence and there would also be a lot less hard drug use. This would also cost taxpayers A LOT less $ than filling prisons and building new ones, hiring law enforcement, lawyers, etc...

The truth of the matter is too many people want to legislate morality in this country. They're afraid. The idea of legal drugs scares the sht out of them and they can't see the forest through the trees. And that is good for business. Pharmaceutical companies, beer companies, liquor, etc...all have special interest groups lining the pockets of the politicians to make it stay this way.

If people were educated enough in this country they would see through the bs and make the proper changes. I'd like that world for America and for my children. But we're a long way away unfortunately.

Right on the money, agree completely.

 

[bignewt]

Exactly. Making drugs illegal is what causes all the problems of violence and the need to build so many prisons. It's all a money making scam, that's all it is. The government is influenced by special interest groups to keep drugs illegal to continue this ridiculous system of incriminating millions of americans for victimless crimes. They don't care about what's good or bad for people, their health or well being, they only care about making lots of $. If drugs were made legal their system would crumble and be bad for business.

If there were clinics or whatever where moron drug users could go buy heroin or crack there would be no violence and there would also be a lot less hard drug use. This would also cost taxpayers A LOT less $ than filling prisons and building new ones, hiring law enforcement, lawyers, etc...

The truth of the matter is too many people want to legislate morality in this country. They're afraid. The idea of legal drugs scares the sht out of them and they can't see the forest through the trees. And that is good for business. Pharmaceutical companies, beer companies, liquor, etc...all have special interest groups lining the pockets of the politicians to make it stay this way.

If people were educated enough in this country they would see through the bs and make the proper changes. I'd like that world for America and for my children. But we're a long way away unfortunately.

Don't forget Big Pharm, they have a very powerful lobby and make billions because MJ is illegal.

 

[BigZiti09]

If you think making heroin legal is a good idea then you are probably high right now.

 

[bignewt]

If you think making heroin legal is a good idea then you are probably high right now.

Do you think it being illegal is what stops people from using heroin?

 

[BigZiti09]

Do you think it being illegal is what stops people from using heroin?

Laws don't stop criminals from committing crimes.

This is a dumb argument though. Laws don't stop perverts from molesting but that doesn't mean we should make it legal.

If you think legalizing heroin is good for this country, you live in a fantasy land.

 

[Glitch]

Do you think it being illegal is what stops people from using heroin?

The legality or illegality of a substance does not stop someone from using it. Would you say that alcohol being legal has kept it out of the hands of children. Has alcohol being legal kept people out of jail for petty crimes or DUI or manslaughter. If you want to do something effective against drugs, then get rid of the mandatory minimum sentences for simple possession and make the distribution of illegal narcotics punishable with the death penalty.

 

[Glitch]

Laws don't stop criminals from committing crimes.

This is a dumb argument though. Laws don't stop perverts from molesting but that doesn't mean we should make it legal.

If you think legalizing heroin is good for this country, you live in a fantasy land.

Amen Twice Baked Ziti!

 

[bignewt]

Laws don't stop criminals from committing crimes.

This is a dumb argument though. Laws don't stop perverts from molesting but that doesn't mean we should make it legal.

If you think legalizing heroin is good for this country, you live in a fantasy land.

Molestation is not a victimless crime, heroin possession is. Bad comparison.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Don't forget Big Pharm, they have a very powerful lobby and make billions because MJ is illegal.

Oh no doubt, I mentioned them in my post. It's all such a scam. It's an incredible disservice to the human race the way these pharmaceutical companies profit off of medicating illnesses instead of actually curing them. But there's no money in curing diseases. The money is in medicating people over and over and over and over. Putting them on 5 different pills they take twice a day for the rest of their lives. Most which have multiple side effects that require even more medicines.

And god forbid marijuana is legal, a plant that grows naturally and is a fantastic drug for many different illnesses. But they can't control it, they don't have patents, it can be grown in any backyard in america. That's a big problem for them. So let's continue to make Americans afraid of it..."It's a gateway drug", "It's addictive!", "we don't know the long term affects!", "It's evil!" "It ruins generations of lives!". All complete bs.

 

[BigZiti09]

Molestation is not a victimless crime, heroin possession is. Bad comparison.

Ask the family of a drug addict if heroin is a victimless crime. Even if you make possession legal, the amount of crime committed by addicts won't drop.

I can go along with legalizing pot but legalizing hard core street drugs is beyond dumb. It's something that a 14 year old would come up with and think it's smart. "I know how to stop crime. We will just make it all legal."

 

[Ron Swanson]

Laws don't stop criminals from committing crimes.

This is a dumb argument though. Laws don't stop perverts from molesting but that doesn't mean we should make it legal.

If you think legalizing heroin is good for this country, you live in a fantasy land.

Hurting yourself vs. hurting others. Drugs being illegal only makes the situations worse, people still do hard drugs no matter what. Why not make it legal, control it, eliminate most of the crime and educate the user? Instead of throwing them in jail and costing the tax payer a lot more $?

 

[Ron Swanson]

But fine, keep hard drugs illegal, it's a small portion of drug users anyway. Marijuana makes up the majority of inmates. If MJ was legalized by the fed that would be fantastic for many reasons.

 

[bignewt]

Ask the family of a drug addict if heroin is a victimless crime. Even if you make possession legal, the amount of crime committed by addicts won't drop.

I can go along with legalizing pot but legalizing hard core street drugs is beyond dumb. It's something that a 14 year old would come up with and think it's smart. "I know how to stop crime. We will just make it all legal."

I'm not ready to make heroin legal but I do find the conversation interesting. Most drug related crime is due to the inflated prices due to its illegality and risk of possesion. You remove that and crime drops, even a 14 year old knows that.

Marijuana however is virtually harmless and we all agree its pretty much a ridiculous government conspiracy to keep it illegal. Excecpt nationdom who thinks its the devils lettuce.

 

[BigZiti09]

Hurting yourself vs. hurting others. Drugs being illegal only makes the situations worse, people still do hard drugs no matter what. Why not make it legal, control it, eliminate most of the crime and educate the user? Instead of throwing them in jail and costing the tax payer a lot more $?

Ron, you won't decrease crime. You will just increase drug users.

It's fantasy land dreamer talk to think we can legalize heroin and it will solve any problems. Do you guys think all the scum bag drug dealers are just gonna go legit and start working retail and become drug salesmen with a shirt and tie? "Hi, I'm Skinny B. Can I interest you in some of our new line of black tar straight from the poppy fields of Afghanistan?"

Do you know any heroin addicts? I assure you they hurt more than just themselves. All of them.

 

[bignewt]

Ron, you won't decrease crime. You will just increase drug users.

It's fantasy land dreamer talk to think we can legalize heroin and it will solve any problems. Do you guys think all the scum bag drug dealers are just gonna go legit and start working retail and become drug salesmen with a shirt and tie? "Hi, I'm Skinny B. Can I interest you in some of our new line of black tar straight from the poppy fields of Afghanistan?"

Do you know any heroin addicts? I assure you they hurt more than just themselves. All of them.

So do alcoholics...

 

[BigZiti09]

So do alcoholics...

I put alcohol right there with pot. Alcohol probably more harmful. Neither is in the same category as meth/crack/heroin etc.

 

[bignewt]

I put alcohol right there with pot. Alcohol probably more harmful. Neither is in the same category as meth/crack/heroin etc.

Alcohol is way more harmful and close to those others. You can overdose and die from alcohol, you can be addicted to alcohol, you are much more prone to violence and to get behind the wheel and kill someone but hey its legal so lets put it in cartoons and laugh about it.

 

[ob79]

MJ legal, yeah I'm with you, but making meth, Heroin, cocaine, etc. completely legal is ridiculous, and pretending that making it legal will somehow alleviate crime or criminal behavior is asinine as well. That sh** should not become readily available or massed produced, period.

Now, I'm inclined to see a shift in how simple possession is treated in this country, in favor of a mandatory drug treatment program.

 

[BigZiti09]

Alcohol is way more harmful and close to those others. You can overdose and die from alcohol, you can be addicted to alcohol, you are much more prone to violence and to get behind the wheel and kill someone but hey its legal so lets put it in cartoons and laugh about it.

uh, ok?

So now you are making the argument we should make alcohol illegal now or what? Not following the logic here. I am thinking most would agree crack/meth/heroin all are more dangerous than alcohol.