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Ron Swanson said:
Exactly. Making drugs illegal is what causes all the problems of violence and the need to build so many prisons. It's all a money making scam, that's all it is. The government is influenced by special interest groups to keep drugs illegal to continue this ridiculous system of incriminating millions of americans for victimless crimes. They don't care about what's good or bad for people, their health or well being, they only care about making lots of $. If drugs were made legal their system would crumble and be bad for business.

If there were clinics or whatever where moron drug users could go buy heroin or crack there would be no violence and there would also be a lot less hard drug use. This would also cost taxpayers A LOT less $ than filling prisons and building new ones, hiring law enforcement, lawyers, etc...

The truth of the matter is too many people want to legislate morality in this country. They're afraid. The idea of legal drugs scares the sht out of them and they can't see the forest through the trees. And that is good for business. Pharmaceutical companies, beer companies, liquor, etc...all have special interest groups lining the pockets of the politicians to make it stay this way.

If people were educated enough in this country they would see through the bs and make the proper changes. I'd like that world for America and for my children. But we're a long way away unfortunately.
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Where would they get their money to buy these drugs? Are you advocating the government supply these drugs?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Ask the family of a drug addict if heroin is a victimless crime. Even if you make possession legal, the amount of crime committed by addicts won't drop.

I can go along with legalizing pot but legalizing hard core street drugs is beyond dumb. It's something that a 14 year old would come up with and think it's smart. "I know how to stop crime. We will just make it all legal."
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I know a couple of parents of heroin, crack, and meth addicted children. I don't think they think legalization of hard drugs is a good idea.
 
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bignewt said:
I'm not ready to make heroin legal but I do find the conversation interesting. Most drug related crime is due to the inflated prices due to its illegality and risk of possesion. You remove that and crime drops, even a 14 year old knows that.

Marijuana however is virtually harmless and we all agree its pretty much a ridiculous government conspiracy to keep it illegal. Excecpt nationdom who thinks its the devils lettuce.
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Again, people can function and be a productive member of society and pay for their vice with alcohol and marijuana. Very few can be anything other than a leech on society using heroin, crack, meth, or even prescription pills. I'm ok with MJ but the rest is a disaster in the making.
 
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I don't want to argue about hard drugs. It's a waste of time. I'll concede they should stay illegal, fine.

Just legalize weed. It's absurd what our system creates by that plant being illegal. All a money making scam.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
I don't want to argue about hard drugs. It's a waste of time. I'll concede they should stay illegal, fine.

Just legalize weed. It's absurd what our system creates by that plant being illegal. All a money making scam.
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I say legalize it. It seems like a waste of money to try and stop it. It's pretty much been decriminalized now anyway.

Here's one thing I think you're off on though Ron. These guys who are selling pot aren't gonna go legit and become productive members of society.

Anyone dumb enough to take that risk will still be just as dumb once pot is legalized. Thinking that legalizing pot is going to empty the jails is naive.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I say legalize it. It seems like a waste of money to try and stop it. It's pretty much been decriminalized now anyway.

Here's one thing I think you're off on though Ron. These guys who are selling pot aren't gonna go legit and become productive members of society.

Anyone dumb enough to take that risk will still be just as dumb once pot is legalized. Thinking that legalizing pot is going to empty the jails is naive.
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If pot were legal they would automatically become productive members of society, running small businesses. Just like your local micro brewery.

Jails would no longer be filled with people who possessed or sold marijuana. That's a significant portion of the inmate population.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
If pot were legal they would automatically become productive members of society, running small businesses. Just like your local micro brewery.

Jails would no longer be filled with people who possessed or sold marijuana. That's a significant portion of the inmate population.
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First paragraph is naive.

I'm having a hard time believing the second.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
If pot were legal they would automatically become productive members of society, running small businesses. Just like your local micro brewery.

Jails would no longer be filled with people who possessed or sold marijuana. That's a significant portion of the inmate population.
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People capable of running legit small time businesses already are. Pot dealers deal drugs because they are willing to take the risk.

Legalize pot and the real capable legit businessmen will overtake your local Johnny dime bag in about 30 seconds.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
People capable of running legit small time businesses already are. Pot dealers deal drugs because they are willing to take the risk.

Legalize pot and the real capable legit businessmen will overtake your local Johnny dime bag in about 30 seconds.
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Ok? I'm still not following what's naive.
 
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Are you saying that pot dealers would then find some other criminal activity to participate in for their job? Maybe so. And if those folks committed crimes they should go to jail. But no longer with jails be filled with people who possessed or sold marijuana. And that number is significant go look it up.

And I think you're overestimating Joe Schmoe weed dealer being some kind of bad guy criminal. He's selling weed because he likes to smoke it and it's easy, there's a high demand. He's not some mastermind gang member out killing folks.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
First paragraph is naive.

I'm having a hard time believing the second.
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"According to the ACLU’s original analysis, marijuana arrests now account for over half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. Nationwide, the arrest data revealed one consistent trend: significant racial bias. Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana."

This is the first link I found. Don't know percentages, but that's a hell of a lot of arrests and officer time that could be used on real crime.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
People capable of running legit small time businesses already are. Pot dealers deal drugs because they are willing to take the risk.

Legalize pot and the real capable legit businessmen will overtake your local Johnny dime bag in about 30 seconds.
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Oh yeah. The small time dealer is out to work with legalization. However, it's the small time grower who wins.
 
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Portugal has decriminalized basically all drugs, and only charge people for trafficking and has a pretty low violent crime rate and has one of the lowest overall crime rate of developed countries.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
uh, ok?

So now you are making the argument we should make alcohol illegal now or what? Not following the logic here. I am thinking most would agree crack/meth/heroin all are more dangerous than alcohol.
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You are having a hard time following my point I see. I am saying that alcohol has caused more harm than hard drugs, there is no way you can dispute that point. Making it illegal however would just make things worse as we have seen in our past. So "in theory" making drugs legal would help curb violence, death and incarceration.

But I'm with Ron, that would never happen so just give us weed and leave us alone. :rock:
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I put alcohol right there with pot. Alcohol probably more harmful. Neither is in the same category as meth/crack/heroin etc.
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So you are for prohibition?..Thats a great idea, it worked so awesome last time..said no one in the history of ever that has a freaking brain.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Exactly. Making drugs illegal is what causes all the problems of violence and the need to build so many prisons. It's all a money making scam, that's all it is. The government is influenced by special interest groups to keep drugs illegal to continue this ridiculous system of incriminating millions of americans for victimless crimes. They don't care about what's good or bad for people, their health or well being, they only care about making lots of $. If drugs were made legal their system would crumble and be bad for business.

If there were clinics or whatever where moron drug users could go buy heroin or crack there would be no violence and there would also be a lot less hard drug use. This would also cost taxpayers A LOT less $ than filling prisons and building new ones, hiring law enforcement, lawyers, etc...

The truth of the matter is too many people want to legislate morality in this country. They're afraid. The idea of legal drugs scares the sht out of them and they can't see the forest through the trees. And that is good for business. Pharmaceutical companies, beer companies, liquor, etc...all have special interest groups lining the pockets of the politicians to make it stay this way.

If people were educated enough in this country they would see through the bs and make the proper changes. I'd like that world for America and for my children. But we're a long way away unfortunately.
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You forgot to say that it also lets them keep people from voting. That's a biggie.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Are you saying that pot dealers would then find some other criminal activity to participate in for their job? Maybe so. And if those folks committed crimes they should go to jail. But no longer with jails be filled with people who possessed or sold marijuana. And that number is significant go look it up.

And I think you're overestimating Joe Schmoe weed dealer being some kind of bad guy criminal. He's selling weed because he likes to smoke it and it's easy, there's a high demand. He's not some mastermind gang member out killing folks.
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And he's not in jail doing twenty years either.
 
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Coleslaw said:
"According to the ACLU’s original analysis, marijuana arrests now account for over half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. Nationwide, the arrest data revealed one consistent trend: significant racial bias. Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana."

This is the first link I found. Don't know percentages, but that's a hell of a lot of arrests and officer time that could be used on real crime.
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It's 2017
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I say legalize it. It seems like a waste of money to try and stop it. It's pretty much been decriminalized now anyway.

Here's one thing I think you're off on though Ron. These guys who are selling pot aren't gonna go legit and become productive members of society.

Anyone dumb enough to take that risk will still be just as dumb once pot is legalized. Thinking that legalizing pot is going to empty the jails is naive.
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I don't think you're totall wrong on that, but there is a significant portion of growers, sellers that will go the legal route. I for one know a few people that have already moved out to legal states and set up shop. Like Ron said, it will be like micro brewery's. The govt will present the steps to become legal and some won't be able to make it through but the ones that can will absolutely do it.
 
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