Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[InVOLuntary]

"According to the ACLU’s original analysis, marijuana arrests now account for over half of all drug arrests in the United States. Of the 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010, 88% were for simply having marijuana. Nationwide, the arrest data revealed one consistent trend: significant racial bias. Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana."

This is the first link I found. Don't know percentages, but that's a hell of a lot of arrests and officer time that could be used on real crime.

I think arrest and prosecution of MJ has fallen off a lot the last few years. Many communities don't arrest for mj of quantities less than 1oz. They may get a ticket though.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I have someone I love that is an alcoholic, point being?

Is your loved one prostituting herself out for her next fix. Is your loved one living in a crack house? Has your loved one had abortions too many to count? Has your loved one totally abandoned their kids for their grandparents to raise leaving them motherless?

 

[Coleslaw]

I think arrest and prosecution of MJ has fallen off a lot the last few years. Many communities don't arrest for mj of quantities less than 1oz. They may get a ticket though.

"Federal figures on drug arrests and drug use over the past three decades tell the story. Drug-possession arrests skyrocketed, from fewer than 200 arrests for every 100,000 people in 1979 to more than 500 in the mid-2000s. The drug-possession rate has since fallen slightly, according to the FBI, hovering near 400 arrests per 100,000 people."

October 2016. Full article here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ana-use-than-for-all-violent-crimes-combined/

1.25 million arrests annually for simple possession

 

[VolinMichigan]

I think arrest and prosecution of MJ has fallen off a lot the last few years. Many communities don't arrest for mj of quantities less than 1oz. They may get a ticket though.

That doesn't seem to be the attitude of our current AG. I'm expecting raids and arrests to ramp up over the next 4 years. Gotta purge those voters one way or another.

 

[InVOLuntary]

That doesn't seem to be the attitude of our current AG. I'm expecting raids and arrests to ramp up over the next 4 years. Gotta purge those voters one way or another.

The AG will not target small, everyday pot users. They may ramp up prosecution against smugglers and dealers.

 

[InVOLuntary]

"Federal figures on drug arrests and drug use over the past three decades tell the story. Drug-possession arrests skyrocketed, from fewer than 200 arrests for every 100,000 people in 1979 to more than 500 in the mid-2000s. The drug-possession rate has since fallen slightly, according to the FBI, hovering near 400 arrests per 100,000 people."

October 2016. Full article here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ana-use-than-for-all-violent-crimes-combined/

1.25 million arrests annually for simple possession

I have several friends that are cops. Some are state some county and some city. Many municipalities don't bother with amounts under 1oz. They will write you a ticket. We have a couple of LE officers that will back this up. Now, if the person is a jackass and/or is guilty of other major infractions, ie DUI. They may add that to the charges.

 

[VolinMichigan]

The AG will not target small, everyday pot users. They may ramp up prosecution against smugglers and dealers.

Or you know...the people who run dispensaries and farms in states where it's legal. All that cash just sitting there for the government's taking. And no need to investigate anything. It requires little thought, so it's right up Trump's alley.

 

[zhangliao04]

As a scientist, this eclipse thing has me all giddy. And my house is in direct path for 100% totality. Yassssssss. 32 minutes and counting.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Or you know...the people who run dispensaries and farms in states where it's legal. All that cash just sitting there for the government's taking. And no need to investigate anything. It requires little thought, so it's right up Trump's alley.

He could but I doubt it. He's not stupid. I don't think he'll target the state legal stuff but he could. I guess we'll see.

 

[Coleslaw]

I have several friends that are cops. Some are state some county and some city. Many municipalities don't bother with amounts under 1oz. They will write you a ticket. We have a couple of LE officers that will back this up. Now, if the person is a jackass and/or is guilty of other major infractions, ie DUI. They may add that to the charges.

I do too, still doesn't change the fact that the number of arrests has not dropped dramatically and it is an enormous waste of resources. For the record, I've never touched the stuff and never will and I average about one alcoholic beverage per year. Massive wastage of resources and throwing good money after bad disgusts me. A 45-year war on a relatively innocuous plant while big pharma hooks and kills people (many seeking legitimate health care) by the boat load.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I do too, still doesn't change the fact that the number of arrests has not dropped dramatically and it is an enormous waste of resources. For the record, I've never touched the stuff and never will and I average about one alcoholic beverage per year. Massive wastage of resources and throwing good money after bad disgusts me. A 45-year war on a relatively innocuous plant while big pharma hooks and kills people (many seeking legitimate health care) by the boat load.

Those statistics don't tell the whole story. How many were arrested solely for possession. Maybe they were stopped for being in a stolen vehicle. Maybe they had meth on them too. I'd like to see statistics showing arrest for only possession of MJ and less than 1oz.

 

[volatil]

MJ legal, yeah I'm with you, but making meth, Heroin, cocaine, etc. completely legal is ridiculous, and pretending that making it legal will somehow alleviate crime or criminal behavior is asinine as well. That sh** should not become readily available or massed produced, period.

Now, I'm inclined to see a shift in how simple possession is treated in this country, in favor of a mandatory drug treatment program.

I would quit the medical field immediately

 

[Coleslaw]

Those statistics don't tell the whole story. How many were arrested solely for possession. Maybe they were stopped for being in a stolen vehicle. Maybe they had meth on them too. I'd like to see statistics showing arrest for only possession of MJ and less than 1oz.

"Around the country, police make more arrests for drug possession than for any other crime," the report finds, citing FBI data. "More than one of every nine arrests by state law enforcement is for drug possession, amounting to more than 1.25 million arrests each year."

That's the only way the article references it other than arrests for marijuana possession outnumber those for all violent crimes combined. Not sure how relevant that last part is without reference to violent crime rates.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I would quit the medical field immediately

I wouldn't blame you one bit. Recipe for disaster.

 

[VolGee4]

I have several friends that are cops. Some are state some county and some city. Many municipalities don't bother with amounts under 1oz. They will write you a ticket. We have a couple of LE officers that will back this up. Now, if the person is a jackass and/or is guilty of other major infractions, ie DUI. They may add that to the charges.

Under TN law, more than a 1/2 oz. is a felony. I would be surprised if they didn't arrest for a felony amount. However, I am hearing stories of officers letting go of some of those that are under 1/2 oz.

 

[VolGee4]

If dope was legal, where would the violence be? You don't see AnBusch cap a Miller guy. But during Prohibition, you had gangs running the liquor, which led to a great deal of violence. Simply put, Prohibition = Violence.

I was just responding to what Ron said about simply letting people deal dope. But what you say is not necessarily true. If marijuana is legalized, it will be regulated by the government. People will still want to sell it (outside of the regulations) to make a quick buck. Maybe supply is up, and that effects individual business. However, people will still need money even to purchase dope legally. Many crimes are about the dollar itself.

All I did was just google crime in Colorado, and the Denver Post has a July, 2017 article that states that crime, including violent crime, has increased.

 

[bignewt]

Is your loved one prostituting herself out for her next fix. Is your loved one living in a crack house? Has your loved one had abortions too many to count? Has your loved one totally abandoned their kids for their grandparents to raise leaving them motherless?

Has a loved one killed a child with their car? Died choking on their own vomit? Lost their home, their family all their money? Have they been gang raped because they were passed out drunk? We can play this game forever...only difference the numbers are 100 fold more when it comes to alcohol because there are far more alcoholics and lives affected by it than hard drug use. Let's just stop comparing which is more evil.

 

[Rishvol]

As a scientist, this eclipse thing has me all giddy. And my house is in direct path for 100% totality. Yassssssss. 32 minutes and counting.

I was the exact same way. I still have goosebumps

 

[bignewt]

I was just responding to what Ron said about simply letting people deal dope. But what you say is not necessarily true. If marijuana is legalized, it will be regulated by the government. People will still want to sell it (outside of the regulations) to make a quick buck. Maybe supply is up, and that effects individual business. However, people will still need money even to purchase dope legally. Many crimes are about the dollar itself.

All I did was just google crime in Colorado, and the Denver Post has a July, 2017 article that states that crime, including violent crime, has increased.

BS

 

[BigZiti09]

Has a loved one killed a child with their car? Died choking on their own vomit? Lost their home, their family all their money? Have they been gang raped because they were passed out drunk? We can play this game forever...only difference the numbers are 100 fold more when it comes to alcohol because there are far more alcoholics and lives affected by it than hard drug use. Let's just stop comparing which is more evil.

And you were just arguing we need to legalize hard drugs. And you're now using the harmful consequences of simple alcohol abuse as your evidence to why we should go that route?

 

[VolGee4]

BS

I did see other articles that were refuting the increased crime statistics in Colorado, but they were dated before the one in the Denver Post.

It's just not a simple as you guys want to make it out to be. But that's cool- we have different opinions.

 

[VolGee4]

Do you think it being illegal is what stops people from using heroin?

Is this a gun debate?

 

[bignewt]

And you were just arguing we need to legalize hard drugs. And you're now using the harmful consequences of simple alcohol abuse as your evidence to why we should go that route?

I am equating alcohol with hard drugs nothing more. Saying one should be legal because it is okay is ridiculous to me. Who makes that decision? Money does.

 

[VolGee4]

If pot were legal they would automatically become productive members of society, running small businesses. Just like your local micro brewery.

Jails would no longer be filled with people who possessed or sold marijuana. That's a significant portion of the inmate population.

Don't think so. It will be regulated by the government, and I don't believe Jon Doe on the street corner can just get a license to sell. There will be fees involved and policing. I don't much about Colorado's regulations, but I bet there aren't many "Mom and Pop" streetcorner stores.

It will not totally eliminate illegal selling of marijuana.

 

[bignewt]

illegal selling of marijuana is one of the free-est trades we have in our economy.