Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[Bassmaster_Vol]

How?

Is that a serious question? Here is the original statement: He’s god. There is one god. All religions lead to the same god.

"You shall worship the Lord God and Him only shall you serve." Deuteronomy 6. I've already quoted three times the words of Christ. I quoted the words of Paul to the Galatians and mentioned His statements to the Colossians. Peter also said "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12. Or this, "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" 1st John 5:12. the Bible is very clear, Jesus is the only way. Again, you may not believe that. But Jesus and the apostles clearly taught that Jesus was the only way. So if there is another way outside of Jesus, then Jesus and the apostles are liars. It really is that simple.

 

[bignewt]

LOL

Think about what is happening all over this universe where no human is witnessing it from a planet millions of light years away to your backyard in the middle of the night. Do you know of it all? Your beliefs make allowances for all of it? We know nothing Jon Snow.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

What did he say then? Cause to be fair, the bible wasn't written by Jesus...and the version you keep quoting isn't even the original language it was written in.

I could quote Greek if you want me to, but I'm not sure why that would help since very few on here would actually be able to read it. Yes, Christ did not write the New Testament, but the men He called, whom He promised the Holy Spirit would remind them of all things He had taught them, did. I also believe that the New Testament is as it claims, the inspired word of God, or θεόπνευστος (God breathed), and thus I do believe that, in reality, all of the Bible are the words of Christ.

 

[bignewt]

Is that a serious question? Here is the original statement: He’s god. There is one god. All religions lead to the same god.

"You shall worship the Lord God and Him only shall you serve." Deuteronomy 6. I've already quoted three times the words of Christ. I quoted the words of Paul to the Galatians and mentioned His statements to the Colossians. Peter also said "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12. Or this, "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" 1st John 5:12. the Bible is very clear, Jesus is the only way. Again, you may not believe that. But Jesus and the apostles clearly taught that Jesus was the only way. So if there is another way outside of Jesus, then Jesus and the apostles are liars. It really is that simple.

Anyone else find it ironic that we beat our chest proudly as Americans that we are free and serve no master and yet...You shall worship the Lord God and Him only shall you serve.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Again, I didn't ask any questions. I made a post about Gandhi and you asked, which is no problem. But would prefer "you guys" not be used in replies to me.

But I'll give my *opinion* on one of your answers. While scripture may tell how they reached or suggested reaching people back then, which do you think Jesus found to be the goal.
A never changing technique or actually reaching people? I'm definitely not a scholar but was under the impression bringing people in was the more important of the 2.

I just don't think that's a real question. I'm not being harsh to anyone on here and, if someone wants to accuse me of that, let them bring their evidence. My point is this, the gospel is offensive and scandalous. It is the gospel itself that offends people, not me. So I'm not going to lie to people to make them feel better about themselves as though that helps me reach them, because it doesn't. I'm just saying, people on here have said that challenging beliefs is insulting. My point is, my models, both the NT writers and Christ Himself, challenged false beliefs. Why would I do something different?

 

[scvolfan7]

Is that a serious question? Here is the original statement: He’s god. There is one god. All religions lead to the same god.

"You shall worship the Lord God and Him only shall you serve." Deuteronomy 6. I've already quoted three times the words of Christ. I quoted the words of Paul to the Galatians and mentioned His statements to the Colossians. Peter also said "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12. Or this, "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" 1st John 5:12. the Bible is very clear, Jesus is the only way. Again, you may not believe that. But Jesus and the apostles clearly taught that Jesus was the only way. So if there is another way outside of Jesus, then Jesus and the apostles are liars. It really is that simple.

That’s what I’m saying though. “Him” is the same for all religions. They just use different names and wordings.

 

[drvenner]

Bass, your belief system seems pretty rigid. I can respect your commitment and your belief in it and you support your arguments with reasoned discussion. My question is how do you lead someone to God who is really turned away by your rigidness? How can you hope to get them to accept what you state is truth and may be different from anything that they have ever known, when you seem reluctant to accept other positions that are being put forward here?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Think about what is happening all over this universe where no human is witnessing it from a planet millions of light years away to your backyard in the middle of the night. Do you know of it all? Your beliefs make allowances for all of it? We know nothing Jon Snow.

My beliefs inform me that the sovereign God of the universe is in control of all of it, even the planet a billion light years away. That's all I need to know.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Anyone else find it ironic that we beat our chest proudly as Americans that we are free and serve no master and yet...You shall worship the Lord God and Him only shall you serve.

We all serve masters, don't kid yourselves. But I am thankful that my Master said, "Come to Me all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

 

[Glitch]

I think this whole discussion can be summed up with Joshua 24:14-15. Joshua is recounting to the Hebrews all that God did for them in driving out the prior inhabitants of the land that He had promised to give to them all the way back when He made His covenant with Abraham.

14 “Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your ancestors worshiped beyond the Euphrates River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. 15 But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Each person is free to choose whether they want to worship God or not. God wants each person to choose Him but knows many won't. Many will harden their hearts and refuse to acknowledge God and what Jesus did for them. I for one know that I cannot get through this life on my own and there are too many instances where miracles have happened in my life for me to deny that God is working in my life. He is working in all of our lives and if we are willing to acknowledge that we will begin to see Him.

So, worship God, or not. As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.

 

[bignewt]

My beliefs inform me that the sovereign God of the universe is in control of all of it, even the planet a billion light years away. That's all I need to know.

But he only formed beings in his image once, here?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

That’s what I’m saying though. “Him” is the same for all religions. They just use different names and wordings.

Again, that is fine if you believe that, but Christ didn't teach that other religion's god is no different than the Triune God of Scripture. That's the point. So again, if you believe that, then you have to reject the words of Christ.

 

[bignewt]

I think this whole discussion can be summed up with Joshua 24:14-15. Joshua is recounting to the Hebrews all that God did for them in driving out the prior inhabitants of the land that He had promised to give to them all the way back when He made His covenant with Abraham.

14 “Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your ancestors worshiped beyond the Euphrates River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. 15 But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Each person is free to choose whether they want to worship God or not. God wants each person to choose Him but knows many won't. Many will harden their hearts and refuse to acknowledge God and what Jesus did for them. I for one know that I cannot get through this life on my own and there are too many instances where miracles have happened in my life for me to deny that God is working in my life. He is working in all of our lives and if we are willing to acknowledge that we will begin to see Him.

So, worship God, or not. As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.

Back when God would shoot the breeze with his children and make deals...those were the days.

 

[Devo182]

Wait why was that removed this is CLEARLY the Tennessee Vols Religion Forum

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Well done good and faithful servant.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Bass, your belief system seems pretty rigid. I can respect your commitment and your belief in it and you support your arguments with reasoned discussion. My question is how do you lead someone to God who is really turned away by your rigidness? How can you hope to get them to accept what you state is truth and may be different from anything that they have ever known, when you seem reluctant to accept other positions that are being put forward here?

My belief system is rigid because it is founded in the words of Scripture. We are not having a denominational discussion here. If someone wants to talk about Baptism or eschatology or something like that, I'm all for it. and I'll listen to anybody's different view points with a willingness to be proven wrong because, at the end of the day, though I disagree with my Presbyterian brothers, for example, on small points of doctrine, we are still brothers who believe in the same God, serve the same Christ, and preach the same gospel.

But these aren't the conversations that we are having here. We are having the conversation about whether or not Christ is Lord, and the only way to heaven, which is what He Himself taught and said that anyone who does not believe is condemned. That is a matter of eternal life or death that we are talking about in here, so of course I'm rigid. This isn't doctrinal disagreements, but the orthodoxy and heresy. There is no other way to be than rigid, or I wouldn't even be a Christian. That is just a strange premise to expect a Christian to not be rigid about the very thing that makes Him a Christian.

But further, it isn't my responsibility to reach people. My responsibility is to proclaim the truth. I trust the Holy Spirit with the rest. Like Jesus on the shore of the sea of Galilee, Peter threw his net into the water, but it was Christ who brought the fish. All I can do is throw the net out. I trust Him with the rest.

 

[Devo182]

Back when God would shoot the breeze with his children and make deals...those were the days.

Nowadays we lock the children up. We better start listening to people that can hear god or we may miss out on a lot of good stuff. We need an update from the big man, after all.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

But he only formed beings in his image once, here?

That's what the Bible says, yes.

 

[bignewt]

My belief system is rigid because it is founded in the words of Scripture. We are not having a denominational discussion here. If someone wants to talk about Baptism or eschatology or something like that, I'm all for it. and I'll listen to anybody's different view points with a willingness to be proven wrong because, at the end of the day, though I disagree with my Presbyterian brothers, for example, on small points of doctrine, we are still brothers who believe in the same God, serve the same Christ, and preach the same gospel.

But these aren't the conversations that we are having here. We are having the conversation about whether or not Christ is Lord, and the only way to heaven, which is what He Himself taught and said that anyone who does not believe is condemned. That is a matter of eternal life or death that we are talking about in here, so of course I'm rigid. This isn't doctrinal disagreements, but the orthodoxy and heresy. There is no other way to be than rigid, or I wouldn't even be a Christian. That is just a strange premise to expect a Christian to not be rigid about the very thing that makes Him a Christian.

But further, it isn't my responsibility to reach people. My responsibility is to proclaim the truth. I trust the Holy Spirit with the rest. Like Jesus on the shore of the sea of Galilee, Peter threw his net into the water, but it was Christ who brought the fish. All I can do is throw the net out. I trust Him with the rest.

Honest question, how do you imagine heaven? White robes and harps? Just wondering what you think.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I could quote Greek if you want me to, but I'm not sure why that would help since very few on here would actually be able to read it. Yes, Christ did not write the New Testament, but the men He called, whom He promised the Holy Spirit would remind them of all things He had taught them, did. I also believe that the New Testament is as it claims, the inspired word of God, or θεόπνευστος (God breathed), and thus I do believe that, in reality, all of the Bible are the words of Christ.

But Joseph Smith wasn't called then?

Also why would you quote Greek when it was written in Hebrew originally?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Honest question, how do you imagine heaven? White robes and harps? Just wondering what you think.

I don't imagine it. the Bible actually tells us very little about heaven. The best description we have is in Revelation 21-22. So if you want to imagine what heaven might be like, read those two chapters.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

But Joseph Smith wasn't called then?

Also why would you quote Greek when it was written in Hebrew originally?

No. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and a little Aramaic. The NT in Greek. But I don't know Hebrew. I do however, know a little Greek.

 

[chargervol]

I just don't think that's a real question. I'm not being harsh to anyone on here and, if someone wants to accuse me of that, let them bring their evidence. My point is this, the gospel is offensive and scandalous. It is the gospel itself that offends people, not me. So I'm not going to lie to people to make them feel better about themselves as though that helps me reach them, because it doesn't. I'm just saying, people on here have said that challenging beliefs is insulting. My point is, my models, both the NT writers and Christ Himself, challenged false beliefs. Why would I do something different?

Still wasn't in on any of that but guessing your response is meant to be read by others.
But it's making my end of the conversation weird so, good luck, I'll catch you on FB topics.

 

[bignewt]

I don't imagine it. the Bible actually tells us very little about heaven. The best description we have is in Revelation 21-22. So if you want to imagine what heaven might be like, read those two chapters.

I've read it I was just wondering what you thought, you have to have some vision of it, especially since you are on a first class ticket to there.

 

[bignewt]

No. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and a little Aramaic. The NT in Greek. But I don't know Hebrew. I do however, know a little Greek.

Jews distanced from the new testament because it condemned them to hell, hence it was written in Greek.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

You are more than welcome to be agnostic, but you say a lot of things with certainty for a guy who subscribes to an ideology that claims to not know for sure.

I am a Christian. I have stepped back from organized religion. I have questions, but I believe in GOD. I pray everyday, sometimes I fast. But I still have questions.