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InVOLuntary said:
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Murder is intentionally killing someone. Are you claiming he intentionally killed the little girl?

Why don't we look at what set all the wheels in motion. The article is a hit piece on permitless carry. If he had a permit, would it have made you feel better?
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I think permitless carry is stupid. Anyone who has a gun should have a permit and should only receive that permit after they pass a firearm safety course.

I think a grown man being a little biatch and irresponsible enough to fire a gun towards a vehicle he *thinks* is the one a guy who robbed him *might* be getting in is absurd, stupid, moronic, and sad.

Where is the value for human life?

Imagine if it was your innocent 9 year old that got murdered, or since you don’t like that term - had her life stolen by an idiot who fired a gun in a general direction - would you feel differently?
 
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MarcoVol said:
I think permitless carry is stupid. Anyone who has a gun should have a permit and should only receive that permit after they pass a firearm safety course.

I think a grown man being a little biatch and irresponsible enough to fire a gun towards a vehicle he *thinks* is the one a guy who robbed him *might* be getting in is absurd, stupid, moronic, and sad.

Where is the value for human life?

Imagine if it was your innocent 9 year old that got murdered, or since you don’t like that term - had her life stolen by an idiot who fired a gun in a general direction - would you feel differently?
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That's not what the article says occurred. It says he shot at the guy that just ribbed him and the bullet hit a passing truck, striking the little girl. It was unintentional and permitless carry had nothing to do with it.

As a staunch 2nd ammendment advocate, I'm not.for permitting rights, any rights. Should we require people to have a permit before voting? Speaking?

I'm also 100% that any gun onwer is responsible for any round down his/her barrel. He should be sued into oblivion. He didn't intentionally shoot the little girl. I cam promise you his life is ruined forever. I have a friend that shot and killed an intruder several years ago. It bothers him to this day even though he was fully justified in shooting him. It's obvious you've never been the victim of a crime. Rational thought is something you have to fight to keep. I've been robbed numerous occasions, including having my house broken into. It's a violation of your sanctity and it changes you. Maybe you should walk in another man's shoes before you judge.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's not what the article says occurred. It says he shot at the guy that just ribbed him and the bullet hit a passing truck, striking the little girl. It was unintentional and permitless carry had nothing to do with it.

As a staunch 2nd ammendment advocate, I'm not.for permitting rights, any rights. Should we require people to have a permit before voting? Speaking?

I'm also 100% that any gun onwer is responsible for any round down his/hef barrel. He should be sued into oblivion. He didn't intentionally shoot the little girl. I cam promise you his life is ruined forever. I have a friend that shot and killed an intruder several years ago. It bothers him to this day even though he was fully justified in shooting him. It's obvious you've never been the victim of a crime. Rational thought is something you have to fight to keep. I've been robbed numerous occasions, including having my house broken into. It's a violation of your sanctity and it changes you. Maybe you should walk in another man's shoes before you judge.
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You’re right on how she was murde…I mean killed.

And you have to register to vote. You have to get a license to drive after passing a written and road test. But yeah letting anyone have a gun without any type of process in place makes sense.

Look I’m not gonna get into whole being a victim of a crime thing. Shooting someone who has entered your home is one thing. Shooting at someone when there are others around is another. Do you know the punishment for robbery? It’s not death. Unless you mean the death of an innocent person passing by.

That’s also such a lame excuse. “He’s being punished the rest of his life”. Yes, his LIFE. That he still has. After taking someone else’s.
 
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MarcoVol said:
You’re right on how she was murde…I mean killed.

And you have to register to vote. You have to get a license to drive after passing a written and road test. But yeah letting anyone have a gun without any type of process in place makes sense.

Look I’m not gonna get into whole being a victim of a crime thing. Shooting someone who has entered your home is one thing. Shooting at someone when there are others around is another. Do you know the punishment for robbery? It’s not death. Unless you mean the death of an innocent person passing by.

That’s also such a lame excuse. “He’s being punished the rest of his life”. Yes, his LIFE. That he still has. After taking someone else’s.
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So you're good with protecting yourself as long as it's in your home? Otherwise take what the criminal has in mind for you, got it.

Question, if the government takes away your right to defend yourself, should they then be responsible for defensive you? If I can't carry a weapon to defend myself and I get assaulted, maimed, killed, should I be able to sue the government for my damages?

Also, driving a car is not a constitutional right the last time I checked. You also have to go through a background check before purchasing a firearm legally. And it cost you the buyer to do that. And before you say that doesn't prove your ability to operate a gun safely registering to vote doesnt qualify you to make good voting decisions either. And also, there's a push on that you don't even have to prove who you are before voting.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So you're good with protecting yourself as long as it's in your home? Otherwise take what the criminal has in mind for you, got it.

Question, if the government takes away your right to defend yourself, should they then be responsible for defensive you? If I can't carry a weapon to defend myself and I get assaulted, maimed, killed, should I be able to sue the government for my damages?

Also, driving a car is not a constitutional right the last time I checked. You also have to go through a background check before purchasing a firearm legally. And it cost you the buyer to do that. And before you say that doesn't prove your ability to operate a gun safely registering to vote doesnt qualify you to make good voting decisions either. And also, there's a push on that you don't even have to prove who you are before voting.
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How on this earth do you not think there should be, at minimum, a firearms safety course required? This moron who shot the little girl might’ve even had better aim and not missed and, in your eyes, become a victim bc he has to “live with this the rest of his life”. I sure do hope he’s ok.

What about her family?

And why would they take away your right to defend yourself? I’m saying there should be a firearm safety course required, permit required. And a law that says if you end someone’s life as they walk by bc you got scared and were careless and you decided to shoot your gun bc you couldn’t handle things without it, then, well you should absolutely go to prison. Maybe not for life. But needs to be punitive.

Now you are improving gun safety as well as deterring people from firing a weapon at others just bc they have it and they feel threatened.

And owners would want to take classes bc they know if they shoot, they better not miss.
 
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Never really did I say he was a victim. I said he would have to live with this the rest if his life.

I've grown up around guns my whole life. The course for the permit is a joke. My personal experience is way beyond what they teach. People take driving courses all day everyday. Have to pass a test in order to get a license, not a right by the way. Are there wrecks 1000's of times a day? Should those people face criminal charges if they accidentally kill someone?

Again, what other rights do we have that you have to have a background check, pay a fee, go through courses and pay more fees to exercise?

Permit vs permitless carry has little to do with this accident.
 
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Glitch said:
Anonymous SM like VN is the only SM that I participate in. I really don't care what somebody I went to HS with kids are doing or that they made the travel tiddlywinks team and are going to nationals. I don't post that stuff about my life because I seriously doubt that people I knew from HS give a crap about my life. Especially if I haven't spoken to them since.... HS. If people are important, they will be in your life anyway. Maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy but I really don't care for SM. Especially when it is used to cancel somebody for something they did as a kid 10-15 years ago.
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SM sucks, but I can't believe that a professional journalist wasn't smart enough to scrub that stuff off her SM long ago. It's not like this hasn't happened many times before.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Never really did I say he was a victim. I said he would have to live with this the rest if his life.

I've grown up around guns my whole life. The course for the permit is a joke. My personal experience is way beyond what they teach. People take driving courses all day everyday. Have to pass a test in order to get a license, not a right by the way. Are there wrecks 1000's of times a day? Should those people face criminal charges if they accidentally kill someone?

Again, what other rights do we have that you have to have a background check, pay a fee, go through courses and pay more fees to exercise?

Permit vs permitless carry has little to do with this accident.
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It is known that when permits are required, or other gun laws are enforced, gun crimes are majorly decreased. See Chicago
 
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Ashevolle said:
I hope that guy can't close his eyes for the rest of his life without seeing the little girl he put in the ground. What an absolutely putridly selfish act of vengeance.
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Lol. I sincerely hope you don't become a victim of crime and see your loved one raped or killed right in front of you with no means of protecting yourself or your loved ones. Probably won't happen though because the police will be right there to rescue you I'm sure.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. I sincerely hope you don't become a victim of crime and see your loved one raped or killed right in front of you with no means of protecting yourself or your loved ones. Probably won't happen though because the police will be right there to rescue you I'm sure.
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You speak of loved ones being killed yet no mention of the family that literally had their loved one killed.

Like theirs didn’t count bc the guy was trying to kill someone else.
 
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MarcoVol said:
You speak of loved ones being killed yet no mention of the family that literally had their loved one killed.

Like theirs didn’t count bc the guy was trying to kill someone else.
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Lol, the feels. I did mention her. I called it a tragedy. What's funny is you've never once mention the bastard that started the whole chain of events. 🤔
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, the feels. I did mention her. I called it a tragedy. What's funny is you've never once mention the bastard that started the whole chain of events. 🤔
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Yeah man, it was wrong he was robbing someone. He should go to jail for that.

What should not happen is someone who firing a weapon that can kill without having to pass a firearm safety course so they can learn how to use said weapon.
 
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tnvols72 said:
I seen that the other day and I thought then this was not going to end well for her. But the tweet I seen with the N word was not being used as a racial slur as much she was trying to talk that language with who ever she was replying back to.
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Admit I am confused about how this works. I don’t use that language, don’t listen to rap so not desensitized to it and dislike hearing it when it supposed to be a cool thing. Had people on here tell me it is like the black community took the word that is supposed to be an insult and made it their own like whites did with redneck. But are they the only ones allowed to say it? Do even their white friends not get to say it with them or sing the lyrics? If someone thinks they are being cool using it, is that still as wrong as using it to put someone down? Is it complicated or black and white? Pun intended
 
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MarcoVol said:
Yeah man, it was wrong he was robbing someone. He should go to jail for that.

What should not happen is someone who firing a weapon that can kill without having to pass a firearm safety course so they can learn how to use said weapon.
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Your assumption that a firearms course would have changed the outcome of the situation.

You realize that if you commit a crime that results in a death whether you pulled the trigger or not you are responsible for the death? Should they go after the guy that started this for murder?
 
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