Recruiting forum off topic thread (no politics, covid, or hot button issues)

[Jackcrevol]

I agree with you in your overall point but....automatic pistol?

That was the story from Maryville, that was recanted to me.

https://www.wate.com/news/top-stories/blount-county-sevierville-road-officer-involved-shooting/

 

[Jackcrevol]

Very very rare. I doubt any cop goes to work worried about being shot with a full auto pistol lol

fair enough.

 

[BigOrange15]

Very very rare. I doubt any cop goes to work worried about being shot with a full auto pistol lol

No lol, I'm just saying.

Also, here is a chart. A little outdated now but was one of the ones that shows more than like the top 5 or 6:

 

[mrMet]

in the video i saw…. tyreek rolled it down…. gave his papers to the cop…. then rolled his window back up…. the cop was telling him to keep it down(assuming bc his windows are tinted)…. Cop threatened to arrest Hill and banged on his window. ( not sure if Hill said anything from his car)… a second later the cop drug him out of the car and detained him.

Before getting drug out of the car, hill had rolled his window down enough to talk with the officer

The initial cop had patience, the other cop acted like a fool

 

[mrMet]

I agree with you in your overall point but....automatic pistol?

Install a switch and you can have one too!

 

[Brillovol]

It's not as hard as you think lol

 

[yoyoyoyo]

Yeah...now go look up vids of cops getting shot during routine traffic stops...

Police departments need to do a better job educating officers on following the law and the constitution. Police are bound by the same laws and constitution they are hired to protect. Most police missteps are from a lack of education by their departments not willful disregard for the law.

I 100% support the police. Every interaction that is not by the book that is released creates public doubt. Since everything is recorded now it is more important than ever they follow the law and understand what lawful commands are. Not all police commands are lawful.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Hope this police stuff dies down. In the Scheffler incident, those involved were disciplined, not sure to what degree. Same thing needs to happen here. Does not need to turn into a nationwide referendum on police. Also don't need to turn Tyreek Hill into the Second Coming of the Virgin Mary like we tend to do. My humble opinion.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Tough look defending this

I blame the Hispanics.

 

[Smokey123]

Hope this police stuff dies down. In the Scheffler incident, those involved were disciplined, not sure to what degree. Same thing needs to happen here. Does not need to turn into a nationwide referendum on police. Also don't need to turn Tyreek Hill into the Second Coming of the Virgin Mary like we tend to do. My humble opinion.

Ik at least one cop was put on leave immediately

 

[Smokey123]

Yeah...now go look up vids of cops getting shot during routine traffic stops...

And that’s terrible. Doesn’t mean a cop should physically drag someone out of their car for rolling up their window for 10 seconds

 

[BigSteve09]

have to wonder how many times other cops have talked that overzealous cop down for none of them to say a thing to him or try to stop him from burying himself on camera

there were enough cops there that at least one, probably most, knew what was within reason. If you care about a co-worker, and police always look out for each other, you'd stop someone from going too far. Everyone gets at least one, maybe two, across all jobs. "Hey, I get it, keep your cool."

That one cop that was trying to be calm and reasonable with the friends that parked the car, he didn't say anything to supercop. But he knew.

I think the other cops were sick of him too

 

[jave36]

No lol, I'm just saying.

Also, here is a chart. A little outdated now but was one of the ones that shows more than like the top 5 or 6: View attachment 675384

I think the point was police are the only ones where someone else will intentionally kill them, which is a valid point. But Hill was not posing any threat, and they knew that. Their actions had nothing to with safety, everything to do with ego.

 

[Glitch]

Some are cutting grass and collecting trash. Others are running speed traps to collect revenue.

Just saying.

I am not trying to defend piss poor cops, but as a father with 2 and soon to be 3 kids driving with a bunch of lunatics on the road I wish there were more speed traps collecting revenue so these idiots would slow down and chill out with the reckless driving. I pray for a cop every time I see someone swerving back and forth across multiple lanes on the interstate endangering everyone on the road because their stupid butt thinks they are more important than everyone else. I think about how my inexperienced driving daughters might react if one of those tool bags swerves in front of them and how that might end. Our police are not perfect, but this reputation that has been yoked on them that they are just out there oppressing to the poor innocent masses pisses me off. They are trying to do a job and go home to there families, just like the rest of us. If they are told to run radar, that is what they do. If they are told to respond to an active shooter, that is what they do. They put on their uniform and walk out their door, never knowing what they day may bring. Will it be an uneventful day, or will they be placed in a situation where they have to choose to take someone's life to save their own or another's? I don't want that kind of responsibility. It sucks that there are tool bag cops too, but look real hard at the job they do and maybe have a little more respect for them. Either that, or when you are being mugged or your house has been broken in to, don't call the cops. Just let the criminals have your stuff and assault your family.

End rant.

 

[butchna]

Very very rare. I doubt any cop goes to work worried about being shot with a full auto pistol lol

Odds way higher than any other profession.

 

[jave36]

Hope this police stuff dies down. In the Scheffler incident, those involved were disciplined, not sure to what degree. Same thing needs to happen here. Does not need to turn into a nationwide referendum on police. Also don't need to turn Tyreek Hill into the Second Coming of the Virgin Mary like we tend to do. My humble opinion.

Ya, hopefully. I have to admit I thought Hill would be a little more hot headed than he was. Guy was smart (other than being intentionally slow and mouthy at the beginning), didn't resist, didn't fight back. The way that one cop was going, even a little suggestion that Hill might be violent could have gotten him seriously injured.

 

[BigOrange15]

The reality is, even if the cops are 100% in the wrong, there is essentially a 0% chance that you are going to win an argument/disagreement ON the traffic stop. Being belligerent, even if you are completely in the right isn't going to get a positive outcome on the side of the road.

 

[jave36]

I am not trying to defend piss poor cops, but as a father with 2 and soon to be 3 kids driving with a bunch of lunatics on the road I wish there were more speed traps collecting revenue so these idiots would slow down and chill out with the reckless driving. I pray for a cop every time I see someone swerving back and forth across multiple lanes on the interstate endangering everyone on the road because their stupid butt thinks they are more important than everyone else. I think about how my inexperienced driving daughters might react if one of those tool bags swerves in front of them and how that might end. Our police are not perfect, but this reputation that has been yoked on them that they are just out there oppressing to the poor innocent masses pisses me off. They are trying to do a job and go home to there families, just like the rest of us. If they are told to run radar, that is what they do. If they are told to respond to an active shooter, that is what they do. They put on their uniform and walk out their door, never knowing what they day may bring. Will it be an uneventful day, or will they be placed in a situation where they have to choose to take someone's life to save their own or another's? I don't want that kind of responsibility. It sucks that there are tool bag cops too, but look real hard at the job they do and maybe have a little more respect for them. Either that, or when you are being mugged or your house has been broken in to, don't call the cops. Just let the criminals have your stuff and assault your family.

End rant.

If the 99% of good cops would rat out the 1% instead of covering for them (without body cam footage I guarantee all those cops would have said Tyreek was being violent to cover for the one crazy cop), nobody would have a bad opinion of cops and everyone would have a ton of respect for them. They could fix the respect problem by policing themselves (pun intended).

 

[Glitch]

I blame the Hispanics.

 

[BigOrange15]

If the 99% of good cops would rat out the 1% instead of covering for them (without body cam footage I guarantee all those cops would have said Tyreek was being violent to cover for the one crazy cop), nobody would have a bad opinion of cops and everyone would have a ton of respect for them. They could fix the respect problem by policing themselves (pun intended).

One problem is those numbers are probably a little too generous BECAUSE of the reason you gave. The good cops are often times either literally or figuratively forced out by the bad ones, leaving crappy cops somewhat overepresented. If a good cop rats out a bad cop, "something bad might happen to you" or maybe backup is a little slow coming to your shots fired/officer in distress. So the good cops leave the profession at a high rate and because cops often aren't punished severely for their misbehavior, it leaves bad cops to stay doing bad cop **** and being covered for by other bad cops.

Now, there are absolutely more good cops then bad but unfortunately, the atmosphere is often such that they feel they can't speak up. So their recourse is to just leave.

 

[Ashevolle]

The reality is, even if the cops are 100% in the wrong, there is essentially a 0% chance that you are going to win an argument/disagreement ON the traffic stop. Being belligerent, even if you are completely in the right isn't going to get a positive outcome on the side of the road.

You definitely won't beat the ride/arrest, but you may get paid by a jury. It's a ri$ky play though.

 

[Glitch]

If the 99% of good cops would rat out the 1% instead of covering for them (without body cam footage I guarantee all those cops would have said Tyreek was being violent to cover for the one crazy cop), nobody would have a bad opinion of cops and everyone would have a ton of respect for them. They could fix the respect problem by policing themselves (pun intended).

I will not argue with the logic of your premise. Only the practice of it. I agree that good cops should call out bad cops. However, this becomes a slippery slope where cops with grudges against another cops can find the tiniest excuse to rat on another. I think the answer lies in ongoing training. Put that cop in training situations where he has to deal with a truly belligerent traffic stop over and over again. Heck, make him be the belligerent driver in traffic stop role playing and let him be on the receiving end so he knows what the other side is experiencing. There is no fool proof solution though, because it will always involve flawed human beings on both side of the interaction.

 

[Go Fight Win]

love yall but we're in game week can we move the offtopic discussion to the offtopic thread?

 

[jave36]

I will not argue with the logic of your premise. Only the practice of it. I agree that good cops should call out bad cops. However, this becomes a slippery slope where cops with grudges against another cops can find the tiniest excuse to rat on another. I think the answer lies in ongoing training. Put that cop in training situations where he has to deal with a truly belligerent traffic stop over and over again. Heck, make him be the belligerent driver in traffic stop role playing and let him be on the receiving end so he knows what the other side is experiencing. There is no fool proof solution though, because it will always involve flawed human beings on both side of the interaction.

That was a rare, logical, well thought out post from you. Who are you and what have you done with Glitch?

 

[Orange_Crush]

cmon man. try to see things from different vantage points, even engage in dialogue with fascists routinely.

I dont think trash collectors or auto mechanics go work fearing a guy driving down road shooting an automatic pistol, then backing up to run them over, and shooting head shots to make sure its done.

unless there's a recent spate of trash collector on auto mechanic crime i'm unaware of.

My brother and many friends are police officers, and not one of them worry about that on the daily. Sure, they have to be cautious about certain situations like traffic stops where you can't see hands, tinted windows (which the situation in question was, and may explain why they were so adamant about rolling all the way down), etc... But they don't assume that your description will be a daily danger.

I'm a police supporter with the realistic thought that there are a lot of power-trip, incompetent ___holes doing the job. However, I find it interesting that the most vocal anti-police-critic critics tell us not to assume all police officers are power-trip, incompetent ___holes, while also telling us that police need to assume that all of the citizens that they are (supposedly) serving are waiting for an opportunity to kill them with no provocation.

Just to set appropriate boundaries to the conversation, a few points:

Just because a police officer is a police officer doesn't mean that they are immune from criticism. I would offer that the responsibilities they signed up for make personal accountability in that job extremely important to our republic.
To criticize specific activities of specific officers in specific instances is not the same as criticizing all officers, so it's a fallacy and overreaction to assert that doing so is to disrespect all officers and the profession in general.
We need to get as much info as we can before 'convicting' an officer. There's a lot we may not know.

Again, I am a police supporter, in part because I have family that do it. Because I have family that do it, I see wonderful people doing selfless service. But also because of that, I interact with lots of police officers and can tell you there is a segment of ___holes doing it for the power trip.

Another problem to consider is that police forces across the country are loosening requirements for getting the job. Since Covid, do you see the drastic decline of people doing their jobs well in the service industry? It's because the bottom of the barrel is being reached. There's a similar problem with hiring police officers. Don't @ me. My brother hires and trains for his police force, and he's the one that complains about it.