Recruiting Forum Talk XL

[volinbama256]

Report: Florida working on Jim McElwain buyout

Lets put this into perspective on programs and fanbases --- FL has been more successful than we have over the past 2-3 yrs, yet that is still not good enough for the University and program and they are already trying to get rid of him and get an upgrade....
While we are sitting here sputtering for the past few years and still hanging on to our coach and worried we may settle for another dud.... SMH

 

[Kingston Vol]

Florida 3/4 last football hires have been duds.
USC last 3 hires have been duds.
Lsu last hire was a dud.
Michigan last 2/3 have been duds

We’re not the only ones who have been making bad hires. Never a certainty you’ll upgrade with a new coach. Especially if you’re firing anyone somewhat successful like les or Mac

I don't mean they hire better (Besides Meyer). They just are better at determining when to pull the trigger and get the process started.

 

[BigZiti09]

Huh. A school being proactive about it. Like we should have been last year.

Would have More to do with his comments. If they are gonna try and fire him with cause they have to do it now. If he had not said that he wouldn’t be getting fired. Especially not now.

Keep in mind he hasn’t been fired yet. Similar tweets about Butch over the past month. Doesn’t mean it’s reality.

 

[volsnvikes]

Would y'all be accept a loss if it meant CBJ was fired tonight, or a win and he coaches til the end of the year?
I'm not sure I can stomach another game watching him sulk on the sideline arms crossed and red faced!
Then again, the thought of 5,6,or 7 losses is nauseating!!

When we play Kentucky it isn’t just about this year. It is about consistent dominance over a “rival” for multiple decades. Any loss to Kentucky will be discussed for years because it is so rare.

I would rather beat Kentucky and keep a lame duck coach for a few more weeks than give them a rare W against us.

 

[HankHill]

I don't mean they hire better (Besides Meyer). They just are better at determining when to pull the trigger and get the process started.

That’s my point tho. Even tho schools who are more quick to pull the trigger doesn’t mean they hire better.

 

[McGeesPub]

Would have More to do with his comments. If they are gonna try and fire him with cause they have to do it now. If he had not said that he wouldn’t be getting fired. Especially not now.

Keep in mind he hasn’t been fired yet. Similar tweets about Butch over the past month. Doesn’t mean it’s reality.

Well no kidding.

 

[drvenner]

Yeah I'm not saying they should hire him I just think he would probably win. Haven't felt like we've had the consistent advantage coaching wise since the 09 season with Kiffin.

7-6 with early season losses to bad Auburn and UCLA teams? Getting run by Ole Miss? Getting embarrassed by VT in the bowl game? That sounds consistently mediocre to me.

 

[BigZiti09]

Well no kidding.

You apparently don’t understand.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

He really does look like at worst, a really solid coach... At best, a superstar in the making.

Outside of just his HC experience and success, the long list of high quality football coaches he's worked under and played for makes your jaw drop.

100 % agree. Not that this is good enough, but I would just about guarantee he'd be better than Jones. That would mean he would probably win 9 or 10 in most years with an eastern division title once every 4 or 5 years. My money would be on him doing a lot better than that.

 

[drvenner]

Here's hoping that Franklin and Penn State whip that Buckeye ass today.

 

[HankHill]

I don’t get why people think he “would have won huge here.” He did beat Georgia “huge” (which is always awesome), but he also dropped some real stinkers here, not to mention the off-field disaster he was in literally every respect that I can think of. But I guess he did win huge at USC, so it probably would have worked here too... oh wait.

Kiffin was my favorite coach personally here. All he cared about was football and recruiting. (As far as letting other departments work and not micromanage them too like Dooley and butch) but his biridge is burned here.

 

[McGeesPub]

You apparently don’t understand.

As usual, no one except you does.

 

[Kingston Vol]

That’s my point tho. Even tho schools who are more quick to pull the trigger doesn’t mean they hire better.

Let's remove the eventual hire from the equation. That's not my point. They're going to fire a guy who's been to the SEC Championship Game in 2 out of 3 years. We've been to two SEC Championship Games in 13 seasons.

I just mean they have a higher standard of success and have proven they will cut bait as SOON as it becomes apparent any stagnation is occurring.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

If we Get turned down by Mullen and Frost then there is a serious problem within our AD.

I'm hoping something fierce that we can get one of the two. If Frost wants championships he'll choose Tennessee over Nebraska. He just can't do it at Nebraska given their recruiting landscape and having to compete with Meyer, Harbaugh and Franklin IMO.

 

[BigZiti09]

As usual, no one except you does.

And as usual you are a condescending prick.

 

[JacketVol]

Buddy, I hope it happens just as much as the next guy. But I know a lot of big money boosters were fooled last time too.

The betting line stuff is interesting but the premise doesn't change. If somebody with a fat wallet thinks Gruden is coming and bets on it, that line is going to move substantially. We don't know if the guy with the fat wallet is being fooled. Just that he has money.

Say that is true and it probably is. Maybe MIT knew some guys with the money were feeling better about it so they bet a ton which moved it. The fact he predicted it shows he knew perhaps some big boosters felt it was done so were going to make the big bet which would move the line. Doesn't mean it is a done deal but what he was hearing from probably some very important boosters was true. Gives the info credibility and we can only hope it really is a done deal. I don't think it is a done deal but they are trying.

 

[McGeesPub]

And as usual you are a condescending prick.

I think this is what you call irony.

 

[JacketVol]

The Kiffin talk is so embarrassing. Posters keep saying...yeah yeah yeah but he is a really good coach. No, he is not. He has a good offensive mind. Can scheme and put in a good game plan when he had talent to scheme around. Great. That is 1/100th of what he needs to be good at to be a great HEAD COACH. He has bad "makeup" to be a successful head coach. He has no redeeming CEO qualities. He has no desire to keep players disciplined on/off the field. He will not follow the rules recruiting because rules don't apply to somebody with a silver spoon in their mouth their entire career. Not to mention, their is a decent chance he gets himself into trouble off the field. Hard to get your players to act right off the field if you don't act right off the field. He has never been a good head coach.

The more you post the more I really think you have solid points and make sense. Another excellent post.

 

[BigZiti09]

I think this is what you call irony.

Reality.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

Just read that Taylor will play today. Hadn't seen that yet.

 

[ob79]

Report: Florida working on Jim McElwain buyout

I swear, if they fire and hire their coach before us...

 

[JacketVol]

Raiders: fired in September in year 2
UT: left us in mid January, gave us DD, brought NCAA to town who ended up destroying hoops program too.
USC: pulled off the team bus and fired in September
Bama: fired a few days before national title game

I was saying to ignore OC because that’s not what we are hiring him as. If he just had to call plays he’d be fine. He is a disaster as a head coach. I’m embarrassed for people who think he is special.

But you are wrong. He is special but just not in a good way. It is not special It is SATAN

 

[Volator]

Florida 3/4 last football hires have been duds.
USC last 3 hires have been duds.
Lsu last hire was a dud.
Michigan last 2/3 have been duds

We’re not the only ones who have been making bad hires. Never a certainty you’ll upgrade with a new coach. Especially if you’re firing anyone somewhat successful like les or Mac

Completely agree with this. Hiring a new coach is not a guarantee to success. As many examples of failures (some colossal) as there are of successes. Fewer and fewer top Power 5 coaches are willing to move.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Say that is true and it probably is. Maybe MIT knew some guys with the money were feeling better about it so they bet a ton which moved it. The fact he predicted it shows he knew perhaps some big boosters felt it was done so were going to make the big bet which would move the line. Doesn't mean it is a done deal but what he was hearing from probably some very important boosters was true. Gives the info credibility and we can only hope it really is a done deal. I don't think it is a done deal but they are trying.

I don't doubt they're trying. They tried very hard in 2012. They're going to give him everything he wants. I still think he turns it down when it's all over.

These boosters have big egos and think they can make any deal happen.

I'm not saying to be pessimistic about it. We could certainly still hire Gruden. However, anyone who says it's a done deal is lying and trolling.

 

[JacketVol]

I agree. Hiring a coach because he's a celebrity analyst just doesn't seem like a sure fire guarantee to me. Guy hasn't coached in forever, and while he did win a ring, he didn't prove he can have sustained success coaching at any level. And if he did kill it here, he'd probably jump to the NFL.

If that happened, do you not think we would be much better off than we are now. Got to risk and go for it. I did it in my business when the industry was crumbling. People thought it was crazy but I had a lean operation while all the competition was overloaded from their time when things were good and couldn't recover. Saw almost 30 competitors go out one by one while one other as well as us were still standing. Safe hire means more of the same or maybe 8 wins without losing 8 at best with occasional 10 win season every decade. At my age, can't afford that. Go for the freaking brass ring or go home.