Religious debate (split from main board)

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salutethehill said:
Acts 2:37 - 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

I'm sure you've heard this before, TT. The Jews knew there was something they MUST DO to be saved and they needed to know what. They obviously believed, but their sins were obviously not yet forgiven (based on verse 38).

I'm kinda doing this while working, so if my attendance is sporatic, I apologize. I will respond, it may just take a while.
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The Jews asking this is the point. Even to this day, alot of Jews think that there are "works" that they must do to receive salvation. Jesus is very clear about the basis of salvation. That it is a free gift for everyone all we have to "DO" is ask.
What a person "does" after this is mearly "storing up treasures" for eternity.
 
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T-TownVol said:
You are reading too much into the passage. He is not telling them that they are lost. Just that they might as well have not been saved if they are going to act the way that they are acting. Fear is a style of preaching.
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Why would he tell them not to "act the way they are acting" if they weren't lost? In fact, he is saying they are "worse off than an unbeliever". Repentance is a beautiful thing.
 
#1,553
#1,553
T-TownVol said:
I have never said anything about doing nothing. The point that I am making is that it is not something that has to be "worked" at. Salvation is a simple prayer to Christ. All the other "stuff" is what we SHOULD do as believers and to show our love for what Christ did for us.

I spent 35 years struggling with "earning" my salvation. That is not the way that God wants us to live our lives. We need not worry about our eternal home, just do our best to live a life that mirrors Christ.
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The point that I am making is that it is not something that has to be "worked" at.
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12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Salvation is a simple prayer to Christ.
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There is no biblical example or command to back up this claim.

I spent 35 years struggling with "earning" my salvation. That is not the way that God wants us to live our lives. We need not worry about our eternal home, just do our best to live a life that mirrors Christ
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So you say this is something we should do? Why?
 
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salutethehill said:
Why would he tell them not to "act the way they are acting" if they weren't lost? In fact, he is saying they are "worse off than an unbeliever". Repentance is a beautiful thing.
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T-Town is hard to follow. He believes that ones that are saved will work for Christ, but they don't have to work for their salvation. But if they are saved, they will work. "Repent and be baptized" means nothing to him

"For even the demons believe and shudder"
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#1,555
#1,555
salutethehill said:
Why would he tell them not to "act the way they are acting" if they weren't lost? In fact, he is saying they are "worse off than an unbeliever". Repentance is a beautiful thing.
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Even back then, the believers were labeled as hypocrites. This is the "message" of his sermon.
To bring it to a football analogy, "act like ya been there before" when you score a touchdown. He is telling them to "act like" Christians.
 
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T-TownVol said:
The Jews asking this is the point. Even to this day, alot of Jews think that there are "works" that they must do to receive salvation. Jesus is very clear about the basis of salvation. That it is a free gift for everyone all we have to "DO" is ask.
What a person "does" after this is mearly "storing up treasures" for eternity.
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If this were the case, then when asked "what shall we do", Peter should have said,
"Nothing, you are all now saved." I guess Peter blew it.
Peter could have also said, "I just told you (in v. 21), call on the name of the Lord." He blew it again.

In reality, Peter answered their question, under divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4), when he said
Acts 2:38 “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
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ridethelightening said:
T-Town is hard to follow. He believes that ones that are saved will work for Christ, but they don't have to work for their salvation. But if they are saved, they will work. "Repent and be baptized" means nothing to him

"For even the demons believe and shudder"
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Only for a legalist.
I am out!
 
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T-TownVol said:
Even back then, the believers were labeled as hypocrites. This is the "message" of his sermon.
To bring it to a football analogy, "act like ya been there before" when you score a touchdown. He is telling them to "act like" Christians.
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Why would he tell them to act like that...if it didn't matter?

I've enjoyed this conversation with you TTown. I don't want to hear that you're out. Feel free to PM me.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Only for a legalist.
I am out!
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Sorry if you took offense to that. I was only saying that even though you say that salvation is only obtained through believing, you believe a believer will work. Its hard to follow the difference.
Call me a legalist all you want, but I believe in love just as much as the law
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IPorange said:
If God's creation was perfect before Man, why did literally millions of species go extinct, continents and oceans rise, fall and move around, etc? Why make something and then have it go extinct before any sentient being got to see it? Why set up such an incredibly inefficient system of adaptation and speciation, of ecology? There's nothing divine about it.
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I saw this last week and never came back to respond. We are not designed to be on this earth forever. One day, it will be destroyed.
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#1,563
I find it absolutely horrifying that one would believe that we have any thing do with salvation. Our actions will never ever be able to supply the sacrifice needed to cover our sins.

This is the beautiful story of grace.

Legalism = I have control of my salvation....... frightening!
 
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ridethelightening said:
Sorry if you took offense to that. I was only saying that even though you say that salvation is only obtained through believing, you believe a believer will work. Its hard to follow the difference.
Call me a legalist all you want, but I believe in love just as much as the law
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The issue is that you believe the law has something do with salvation.

You have no control over your salvation, you are not the sacrifice.
 
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#1,566
Here's my perspective on this subject. I think we would all agree that...

1. we are all born with a sinful nature
2. we also continue to live in sin as we are either guilty of personal acts, attitudes, or even thoughts
3. the cost of sin is death... so we will all die
4. so the question is how do we receive our eternal life?

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
-John 3:36
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The issue is that you believe the law has something do with salvation.

You have no control over your salvation, you are not the sacrifice.
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The baptism of my body is not the act of me offering myself as a sacrifice. It is me washing myself in the blood of that sacrifice.
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Here's my perspective on this subject. I think we would all agree that...

1. we are all born with a sinful nature
2. we also continue to live in sin as we are either guilty of personal acts, attitudes, or even thoughts
3. the cost of sin is death... so we will all die
4. so the question is how do we receive our eternal life?

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
-John 3:36
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What is the one element that is mentioned EVERY time the Bible speaks of salvation?...........FAITH
Baptist is an OUTWARD sign that we are a follower of Christ and is an essential part of being a follower. NOT the moment of salvation. That is why it is referred to as "believers baptist".
 
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ridethelightening said:
Sorry if you took offense to that. I was only saying that even though you say that salvation is only obtained through believing, you believe a believer will work. Its hard to follow the difference.
Call me a legalist all you want, but I believe in love just as much as the law
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I took no offense.
I do not think that I am doing a good job in helping you to understand that salvation is a gift. If we had to earn it, it would not be grace.
There are many others on here that can do a much better job since you started off on the defensive toward my joke to OE.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I took no offense.
I do not think that I am doing a good job in helping you to understand that salvation is a gift. If we had to earn it, it would not be grace.
There are many others on here that can do a much better job since you started off on the defensive toward my joke to OE.
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Let me ask you this? Are Abraham, Moses, David, or any of the other powerful men in the OT in heaven?
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