Religious debate (split from main board)

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nickknx865 said:
But that's the thing. Old English wasn't the first language that the Bible was written in. You can have screw-ups in the translation that can render something that was written in one language and meant one thing, mean a completely different thing in another language.
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Thats why its always good to use a good Hebrew/Greek dictionary. Besides, wouldn't it be possible for God who gave His word in Hebrew to direct someone to translate it to english? Without losing meaning?
 
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nickknx865 said:
But that's the thing. Old English wasn't the first language that the Bible was written in. You can have screw-ups in the translation that can render something that was written in one language and meant one thing, mean a completely different thing in another language.
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sounds like you are looking for a reason not to believe....none of the meaning of the scriptures have been lost in any of the translations
 
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BeecherVol said:
Bam, Im from Cheatham Co., TN.
Who is this Tolstoy feller?:)

As far as "killing" goes. Its not hard to find the difference in 1st degree murder, and taking a life to save your own or your familiy.
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Leo Tolstoy.

If you manage to get free-time, look him up.
 
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bam15 said:
No, but you can study the 'theory' of evolution.

Those who deny Christianity most likely study it, but simply don't believe it to be true.
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In some cases yes.

I was talking to a fella one time, non believer, and he stated his reason for not being a christian. Basically he said he did not fully understand the Bible/God and everything he did or will do, thus he could not justify believing it.

My response was, If thats what it took to be a christian, me and you are the same.
 
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bam15 said:
Yes, but it doesn't make them any less qualified to study biblical works.
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Studying and understanding, two different things. Anyone can study the Bible, buy as Scripture says, it must be spiritually discerned to be better understood. Thats what the Bible teaches.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Thats why its always good to use a good Hebrew/Greek dictionary. Besides, wouldn't it be possible for God who gave His word in Hebrew to direct someone to translate it to english? Without losing meaning?
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Would it be possible for God to direct someone to translate it and it not lose any meaning? Yes, I suppose. But you're never going to get a direct translation of any language. I'm seriously not trying to be obtuse here, but I'm just saying that it is possible for something to go from one meaning to another one over 2,000 years and being translated into who knows how many languages.

T-TownVol said:
sounds like you are looking for a reason not to believe....none of the meaning of the scriptures have been lost in any of the translations
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I'd love nothing more than to believe in a God. I just can't believe in something that never shows him(or her)self in a physical form.
 
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bam15 said:
Yes, but it doesn't make them any less qualified to study biblical works.
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no one is agrueing that point....studying does not always mean understanding
I just took the OSHA certification test for construction, there is a TON of info that I studied and can now regurgitate, I do not understand half of the stupid crap in that manual
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Studying and understanding, two different things. Anyone can study the Bible, buy as Scripture says, it must be spiritually discerned to be better understood. Thats what the Bible teaches.
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True, but even if they may not be a Christian, they are fully capable of discussing the Bible. Various denominations may state the same understanding argument to other denominations.
 
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nickknx865 said:
Would it be possible for God to direct someone to translate it and it not lose any meaning? Yes, I suppose. But you're never going to get a direct translation of any language. I'm seriously not trying to be obtuse here, but I'm just saying that it is possible for something to go from one meaning to another one over 2,000 years and being translated into who knows how many languages.



I'd love nothing more than to believe in a God. I just can't believe in something that never shows him(or her)self in a physical form.
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Thus the Hebrew/Greek dictionary to study the words for yourself. If you do this you will find that they did a real good job in translation.

Do you believe in the wind? I've never seen it, only felt it. Thats the same with God.
 
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nickknx865 said:
Would it be possible for God to direct someone to translate it and it not lose any meaning? Yes, I suppose. But you're never going to get a direct translation of any language. I'm seriously not trying to be obtuse here, but I'm just saying that it is possible for something to go from one meaning to another one over 2,000 years and being translated into who knows how many languages.



I'd love nothing more than to believe in a God. I just can't believe in something that never shows him(or her)self in a physical form.
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You look for him in a physical form....I see him in every thing, especially my kids and the beaty of nature

got to go....Sheldon is on!
 
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Why would a non-Christian even want to read the Bible in the first place?? I don't understand that. It's not a book that is comprehended very well without the Holy Spirit, IMO.
 
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bam15 said:
True, but even if they may not be a Christian, they are fully capable of discussing the Bible. Various denominations may state the same understanding argument to other denominations.
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The spiritual discern part here is the difference between Christians and non-christians studying and discussing
the Bible. Through discernment, the scriptures open themselves up. Have you ever heard a Christian say that they can read a passage several times and get different information? This is spiritual discernment.

For an example, I preached from Col. 2 this past Sunday. Upon reading the scripture, the words philosophy and vain, really cam alive to me. Espically philosophy. It really got me to look at what exactly philosophy teaches.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Why would a non-Christian even want to read the Bible in the first place?? I don't understand that. It's not a book that is comprehended very well without the Holy Spirit, IMO.
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Umm....I find that odd.

I would say many would want to in order to have some understanding of the person they are accepting as their personal savior. Otherwise, it would seem like an empty acceptance.

There are plenty of reasons to read all the holy books.

Now I have a question stirring in my mind...do we really need to be touched by the hand of Allah to truly understand the Koran? Perhaps these hate-spewing terrorists are just non-believers that don't get the true word.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
The spiritual discern part here is the difference between Christians and non-christians studying and discussing
the Bible. Through discernment, the scriptures open themselves up. Have you ever heard a Christian say that they can read a passage several times and get different information? This is spiritual discernment.

For an example, I preached from Col. 2 this past Sunday. Upon reading the scripture, the words philosophy and vain, really cam alive to me. Espically philosophy. It really got me to look at what exactly philosophy teaches.
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Or critical thinking. Any good poetry class will have you thinking about each line in 5 or 6 different ways.

Edit: Just came back to the computer and this post and thought that I should clarify that what I mean is that reading a passage or segment several times and getting different meanings can come have multiple sources.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Why would a non-Christian even want to read the Bible in the first place?? I don't understand that. It's not a book that is comprehended very well without the Holy Spirit, IMO.
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There it is again... Why do you keep telling me I am talking about two different things, OE?
 
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