Rep. Giffords of Arizona shot

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VolDad said:
One could say the shooter was doing just that.
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And I certainly raised that question first.

And it makes the notion of the politics of this guy (and / or his accomplice) of interesting and crucial importance. Especially if it fits with a pattern of threats of violence as suggested by the Pima Co sheriff.
 
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utgibbs said:
I find this the most ironic.

If I didn't check the board for a couple hours after a post, there would be posts begging for my response to some question from the people who say I "troll."

We know who the real trolls are, I'm afraid. Amazingly, they haven't chimed in. on this thread.

I reject the notion that the question of politics is not an immediate concern on an assassination attempt on an elected Congresswoman - an assassination attempt that has left the coroner the busiest person in the USA. I doubly reject it when the Pima Co sheriff has stated there have been numerous threats against a large number of elected officials.

Sorry that has riled some of you up. You may just have to drive-on though.
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It was a joke.

I don't get riled when it comes to such things.:hi:
 
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volinbham said:
Thank you for saving me
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Again, I didn't do it. I just pointed the way. You have always engaged the debate the right way. The data was all you were missing.

You can lead a horse to water, etc. If you are going back to the data, well done. :hi:
 
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BeecherVol said:
It was a joke.

I don't get riled when it comes to such things.:hi:
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Cool beans! :hi:

I think it's the two posters who quickly shout "Troll" whenever someone disagrees with them (especially regarding Fulmer) who are the real ones.....
 
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utgibbs said:
And I certainly raised that question first.

And it makes the notion of the politics of this guy (and / or his accomplice) of interesting and crucial importance. Especially if it fits with a pattern of threats of violence as suggested by the Pima Co sheriff.
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The dominant cutler is to resolve differences via the ballot box. Doesn't matter if you call yourself a Democrat, Republican, TP, Independent, etc.

He, as you say, stopped being a tool of the dominant cutler. (Which you advocate) His political persuasion makes no difference.

A nut is a nut (i.e., Tim McVeigh, Nidal Malik Hasan, Squeaky" Fromme, Arthur Bremer, Oswald, Charles Whitman, etc.)

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I saw a news update a while ago that said she is responding to questions.

I hope she makes a full recover, and the rest that were injured do as well.
 
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If I had to guess, he was a Sovereign Citizen. They have some whacked-out beliefs. He fits them to a tee. You should read up on them. From the quotes GAVol posted, I would bet money that he was leaning that way. They have no political standing. Believe in the Gold Standard. Hate law enforcement and the Federal Government.

Look them up if you get a chance

The two guys that killed the West Memphis officers last year where both Sovereign Citizens from Ohio.

Right now, they post the #1 threat to LEOs
 
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Gibbs - where do you get this stuff? I think you may actually have a mental disorder. You're all over the place. We're talking some serious left-field mumbo jumbo here. And, then you start talking about breaking people who are quite obviously more put together than you've ever conveyed yourself to be on this forum. Weird.
 
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utgibbs said:
I sense I have. Which is unfortunate in a way, but I get the sense he might be returning to the data - and that's a good place to go.

I actually have no idea what your leanings are, IP. I do reject your position we should ignore the politics in this case (or in the cases of other WONJs). It was, after all, an assassination attempt on an elected leader. Maybe he was just trying to impress Jody Foster. Certainly the sheriff didn't suggest that, but maybe so. Again, it's piqued my curiousity to look at the data more.

I wouldn't get upset about that.
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As far as my leanings, I march to my own drum-- as anyone who frequents this subforum and pays attention could probably attest to.
 
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An official familiar with the Arizona shooting investigation says local authorities are looking at a possible connection between Jared Loughner and an online group known for its anti-government rhetoric.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, says this is one of several motives that local authorities are pursuing in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz.

The anti-government organization American Renaissance is connected to the white supremacist New Century Foundation, according to an analysis by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based group that tracks hate crimes.

Members typically espouse anti-Semitic and anti-government views. Loughner's online postings include language that is in line with such beliefs.
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The Associated Press: Probe examines possible link to anti-gov't group
 
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utgibbs said:
Dared to suggest we are close to being ungovernable.

He certainly has some context from which to speak. Certainly far more context than any of us.
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that seriously made me laugh. This coming from a sheriff whose whole county has been almost overrun by illegals yet he won't enforce the laws of this country. You're right, if anyone would know he would
 
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A possible link between Jared Lee Loughner, the primary suspect in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and American Renaissance, the publication of an anti-immigration group, offers potential new insights into what may have caused the 22-year-old Arizonan to carry out the attack, which killed six people and wounded more than a dozen outside a Tucson, Ariz. stripmall on Saturday.

The shooting attack gravely wounded Representative Giffords and killed her aide Gabriel Zimmerman, US District Judge John Roll, a nine-year-old girl, and three others. The hail of gunfire shocked the nation and reinvigorated scrutiny of rancor and anger-fueled debate in American politics.

On Sunday, Fox News quoted a Department of Homeland Security memo that states Mr. Loughner is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance, which DHS says promotes views that are "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG [Zionist Occupational Government], anti-Semitic." Both Giffords and Mr. Zimmerman are Jewish.

American Renaissance is the publication of the The New Century Foundation, described by the Anti-Defamation League as a "self-styled think tank." The ADL, on its website, calls American Renaissance a "white supremacist journal and companion Website" that "promotes pseudoscientific studies that attempt to demonstrate the intellectual and cultural superiority of whites and publishes articles on the supposed decline of American society because of integrationist social policies."

The DHS memo quoted on Fox goes on to say: "Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the target of Loughner’s firing frenzy, is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate."

"When you look at Loughner's web posts, he puts himself out as half fantasy seeker and dreamer and half political philosopher, and American Renaissance, while a hate group, markets itself as a political philosophy organization," says Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, at San Bernardino.

Mark Pitcavage, director of investigative research at the Anti-Defamation League, is skeptical about any hard connection between Loughner and American Renaissance.

"The fans of American Renaissance tend to be older and they tend to be intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals," says Mr. Pitcavage. "Based on the limited nature of [Loughner's] internet footprint suggesting his thoughts and beliefs, there's nothing to lead one to think he would lean that way. It's perplexing to us that there is a notion of a substantial connection."

In Arizona, particularly, immigration issues, including the passage of a tough anti-immigration law last year, overlapped with parts of the broader tea party agenda. Giffords narrowly defeated a tea party candidate in November's election. She supported the federal health-care reform law and spoke out against Arizona's tough anti-immigration law, both counter to her tea party opponent. American Renaissance's website carries what appears to be a paid tea party advertisement featuring the "Don't Tread on Me" flag that's become synonymous with many of the movement's protests.
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American Renaissance: Was Jared Lee Loughner tied to anti-immigrant group? - CSMonitor.com
 
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