Rep Massie posts gun photo

[85SugarVol]

Undoubtedly, there are nuts on both extremes of every issue.

Certainly. Though one man’s “nut” is another man’s vanguard.

 

[McDad]

The same report says this:
Licensees must report the sale of two or more handguns if they occur at the same time or within five consecutive business days of each other.

What constitutes multiple firearms and "within a certain time period" for other types of guns?

Isn't the clarification contained in the text???

2 or more / 5 business days.

 

[luthervol]

If it’s an issue of poverty then you’d expect to see poverty predict homicide rates. Yet it doesn’t. But what does? Racial makeup.

If your claim were true, white people would not just commit the majority of homicides, black people would only commit 26% of of homicides (the % of black people on food stamps), instead they double that rate.

What do you find when you look at the data? You find the blacker the state, not the more improvised the state, the more likely it is to have high homicide.

Examples: DC, MS, Louisiana are top 3 in homicides per capita and top 3 in black population as a %.

West Virginia is 3rd lowest in GDP per capita, Idaho is 4th lowest, WV is 23rd in homicide rate, Idaho is 49th (out of 51 because I’m counting DC). KY is 7th lowest in GDP yet 19th in homicide, Maine is 8th lowest in GDP yet Maine is 50th in homicide rates, Montana is 9th lowest in GDP yet 31st in homicide rates.

The poverty=crime (especially violent crime) argument does not hold water. The homicide issue in this country is clearly not a problem of poverty.

Edit: that’s 6 of the ten poorest states and the highest any of them rank is 19th, with two of them being in the bottom 3 in terms of lowest homicide

Poverty is a predictor worldwide, every race, every society.

 

[luthervol]

What makes it a “high probability”?

The fact that they were discovered at crime scenes.

 

[Vol8188]

Poverty is a predicted worldwide, every race, every society.

Okay. Ignore the data.

 

[luthervol]

Isn't the clarification contained in the text???

2 or more / 5 business days.

I don't know, I only saw that referenced with handguns specifically.

 

[Vol8188]

Poverty is a predicted worldwide, every race, every society.

Racial differences in homicide rates are poorly explained by economics

 

[C-south]

The fact that they were discovered at crime scenes.

Still doesn’t make it high probability. The probability that he sold it illegally is the same as the person he sold it to then sold it illegally. Same as the probability it could’ve been stolen.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Appalachia is poor. Yet poverty doesn’t seem to correlate with homicide rates. Can you explain?

Poor Asians. Poor Hispanics. Poor whites. All have poverty but not the same rates hmmm

 

[McDad]

I don't know, I only saw that referenced with handguns specifically.

Oh. You're wondering about rifles and shotguns?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I'm concerned with everyone's rights and quality of life. Not just my own.

It’s not my job to care about others “quality of life” when their own life choices put them where they are more often than not

 

[luthervol]

Okay. Ignore the data.

That is the data, worldwide.
Maybe your hypothesis should be that the poverty effect is not only on the individual but on the entire subgroup. Maybe even exponentially on the individuals of that subgroup.

 

[Vol8188]

The fact that they were discovered at crime scenes.

How do you explain the fact that the highest earning black Americans commit homicide at twice the rate of lowest earning white Americans if the issue is poverty?

 

[luthervol]

Oh. You're wondering about rifles and shotguns?

yes. One thing I saw was that there was no required reporting of long guns except in four states bordering Mexico.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What more do you want?
A straw purchase is a federal felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

He doesn’t even understand basic law more often than not let alone grasp how illogical his positions are

 

[luthervol]

How do you explain the fact that the highest earning black Americans commit homicide at twice the rate of lowest earning white Americans if the issue is poverty?

The effects of being a member of the economically disadvantaged subgroup.

 

[McDad]

yes. One thing I saw was that there was no required reporting of long guns except in four states bordering Mexico.

I wonder if rifles and shotguns are not trafficked due to difficult concealment. May not be near the issue handguns are.

 

[Vol8188]

The effects of being a member of the economically disadvantaged subgroup.

90th percentile in income is not economically disadvantaged. That’s what most of would consider rich

 

[luthervol]

How do you explain the fact that the highest earning black Americans commit homicide at twice the rate of lowest earning white Americans if the issue is poverty?

Could you provide the link where you got that table.

 

[Vol423]

Okay. Ignore the data.

That’s what Luther does best. It’s his gift.

 

[Vol8188]

Could you provide the link where you got that table.

Of course. It’s crime/economic data from the NY Federal Reserve.

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/epr/99v05n3/9909levi.pdf

 

[Vol423]

The effects of being a member of the economically disadvantaged subgroup.

Lol. That‘s hilarious. So, Oprah Winfrey murders somebody tomorrow, and you claim it’s because she is a member of an economically disadvantaged subgroup. Your crackpot theories never disappoint.

 

[DynaLo]

I don't know, I only saw that referenced with handguns specifically.

2 or more handgun purchases on Form 4473 within a 5 business day period initiates the FFL to fill out and send in a Form 3310.4

 

[Vol423]

How do you explain the fact that the highest earning black Americans commit homicide at twice the rate of lowest earning white Americans if the issue is poverty?

Interesting that the homicide rates for Whites were higher in the 90+ percentile from 1986-1995 than it was in the 50%-90% percentiles.

 

[Vol8188]

Interesting that the homicide rates for Whites were higher in the 90+ percentile from 1986-1995 than it was in the 50%-90%+ percentiles.

True but they’re also extremely close together. I believe (going off memory from the table) they were all between 2.0-2.9